Salary and Cap discussion....

[directFX]

For anyone that has a handle on it.....I have a few questions.

Are we using the salary numbers for the players that is in the Available Players page?

If so that is easy enough.

However, will that number be changed every year and posted, or do we need to figure their contract rasies and such ourseleves?


Also, there are no QB's listed.....I am guessing that is coming soon......or did I miss it because I am a ******?



If anyone else has questions.....please ask them as I have never been in a league with salaries and I want to get a handle on this.

[BillsVa]

I think there were a couple salaries on that page that were wrong (Chris Chambers comes to mind) but other than that, yes, that is how it works.

The contracts increase 10% each year if you aren't re-signing a player (if you do their contracts will default to that current year's version of the game client's salary for that player).

QBs have been posted.

Here is my question to anyone who answers... how does the game client generate new salaries each year? I know it has to be based on production mostly... but there are plenty of defensive players with identical ratings and different salaries.

[Skeletor]

1)You have to pan over to the right to see the QB salaries. They're in there.

2)The cap does go up each year, supposedly. It has not been posted how much.

3)The salaries ARE the ones posted in available player's page, from what I understand, and yes, you have to count on a 10% increase and make sure you are paying attention.

I am betting people are going to have a hard time in the last 20 rounds of the FS draft, because they spent too much cheddar. There's probably going to be an enormous amount of trading going on AFTER the FA draft is over due to fiscal issues with teams. There are some pretty severe penalties to people who mis-manage the cap. In fact, the last player picked just becomes a FA, I think.

Chazz, please confirm that I'm not just talking out of my butt here.

M

[Skeletor]

I think there were a couple salaries on that page that were wrong (Chris Chambers comes to mind) but other than that, yes, that is how it works.

The contracts increase 10% each year if you aren't re-signing a player (if you do their contracts will default to that current year's version of the game client's salary for that player).

QBs have been posted.

Here is my question to anyone who answers... how does the game client generate new salaries each year? I know it has to be based on production mostly... but there are plenty of defensive players with identical ratings and different salaries.
That's a heck of a good question. So, if you have a player on a one year deal, the increase only happen at 10%, if you want to re-sign them to a new deal? So, their salary stays the same if you sign them to a 3 year deal?
Correct?

[directFX]

I think there were a couple salaries on that page that were wrong (Chris Chambers comes to mind) but other than that, yes, that is how it works.

The contracts increase 10% each year if you aren't re-signing a player (if you do their contracts will default to that current year's version of the game client's salary for that player).

QBs have been posted.

Here is my question to anyone who answers... how does the game client generate new salaries each year? I know it has to be based on production mostly... but there are plenty of defensive players with identical ratings and different salaries.



So Andre Johnson's cap hit this year is $1,279,000 and I will obviously keep him next year, so his cap number will be that plus 10%?

$1,406,900

[directFX]

So what is the difference between the "Available Players" list by position and the salary posted there....and the salaries in the ZIP File?

For instance....Eli is 5,710,000 on the players list...

in the ZIP file,...his number is 5,691,000 or something like that....

[BrotherChazz]

WOAH - you guys have it backwards...

If you put a player under contract - his salary increases by 10% each year. If you just resign players to a 1 year contract, and you choose to re-sign them the following year, they will be re-signed at whatever value that the sim software generates for that year. So if you sign a guy for $1 mil this year, for 3 years, his salary will look like this: Year 1: $1 Mil, Year 2: $1.1 Mil, year 3: $1.21 Mil At the end of the contract, the base price for the next contract will be what the sim value is that year.

However, if you sign that player to a 1 year deal, and he has a great year, if the sim software decides that he is now worth $4 Mil, then you have to resign him at that price.

Having said all of that, you can only resign a player twice (You can have him for 3 contracts, at a max of 3 years a piece -so you can have him for 9 years max if you give him 3, 3 year contracts.) The point of this rule is so that eventually, good players will end up back in the FA pool.

If you cut a guy, you have to pay half of his salary for whatever was remaining on the contract. so if you cut a $2 Mil player in his second year of a 2 year contract, it'll count $1.1 Mil against your cap that year.

Cap will increases will be voted on by the council. It will not increase from year 1 to year 2. Again, this is to increase competition, and force better players back into the FA pool. For example...Tom Brady if signed to a 3 year contract, is going to cost a ton. He's already more than an 1/8th of BillsVa's cap...

[BrotherChazz]

So what is the difference between the "Available Players" list by position and the salary posted there....and the salaries in the ZIP File?

For instance....Eli is 5,710,000 on the players list...

in the ZIP file,...his number is 5,691,000 or something like that....


The master players list is the salaries that we are using, not the zip file. I thought I corrected Chris Chamber's number. If not, I will do so now.

[BillsVa]

So Andre Johnson's cap hit this year is $1,279,000 and I will obviously keep him next year, so his cap number will be that plus 10%?

$1,406,900

This is correct if you sign him to a multi-year deal his salary will increase 10%.

If you sign him to a one year deal and then deside to resign him next season his new salary will be the new salary the game client generates that year.

So Brady's contract is almost 11 mil this year for me, I'm guessing because he threw for 50 TDs.

If I sign him to a one year deal this year, next year I could sign him to a longer term deal at his new salary for next year (probably more along the lines of what Manning cost this year).

At least this is my understanding.

I have no idea how to tell what a player's new salary will be next season, though other than the abstract "if they do well it will go up" idea.

[BillsVa]

The master players list is the salaries that we are using, not the zip file. I thought I corrected Chris Chamber's number. If not, I will do so now.

No, you did, I'm sorry if I implied otherwise. I was just saying that if they printed off the list initially and didn't get an updated one.

[BillsVa]

WOAH - you guys have it backwards...

If you put a player under contract - his salary increases by 10% each year. If you just resign players to a 1 year contract, and you choose to re-sign them the following year, they will be re-signed at whatever value that the sim software generates for that year. So if you sign a guy for $1 mil this year, for 3 years, his salary will look like this: Year 1: $1 Mil, Year 2: $1.1 Mil, year 3: $1.21 Mil At the end of the contract, the base price for the next contract will be what the sim value is that year.

However, if you sign that player to a 1 year deal, and he has a great year, if the sim software decides that he is now worth $4 Mil, then you have to resign him at that price.

Having said all of that, you can only resign a player twice (You can have him for 3 contracts, at a max of 3 years a piece -so you can have him for 9 years max if you give him 3, 3 year contracts.) The point of this rule is so that eventually, good players will end up back in the FA pool.

If you cut a guy, you have to pay half of his salary for whatever was remaining on the contract. so if you cut a $2 Mil player in his second year of a 2 year contract, it'll count $1.1 Mil against your cap that year.

Cap will increases will be voted on by the council. It will not increase from year 1 to year 2. Again, this is to increase competition, and force better players back into the FA pool. For example...Tom Brady if signed to a 3 year contract, is going to cost a ton. He's already more than an 1/8th of BillsVa's cap...

Right. This is how I understood it. My best bet, for example, is to sign Brady to one year this season and hope he's a little more affordable next year without losing TOO much productivity (obviously he's probably going to lose some, last year was ridiculous).

[Sledge]

This is correct if you sign him to a multi-year deal his salary will increase 10%.

If you sign him to a one year deal and then deside to resign him next season his new salary will be the new salary the game client generates that year.

So Brady's contract is almost 11 mil this year for me, I'm guessing because he threw for 50 TDs.

If I sign him to a one year deal this year, next year I could sign him to a longer term deal at his new salary for next year (probably more along the lines of what Manning cost this year).

At least this is my understanding.

I have no idea how to tell what a player's new salary will be next season, though other than the abstract "if they do well it will go up" idea.Just remember you can only sign him to a contract 3 times, meaning that you'd only have him for 6 more years after this year. Still enough but just wanted to point that out.

Also instead of trying to take %10 of the previous year and tack it on to the current salary for next years, just take it by 110% (Salary x 1.1) to get each years.

[directFX]

Very cool...

So we have to "announce" what we have signed our players too then.....as far as contract length is concerned.

I can do the math from there....got it.

[Skeletor]

Very cool...

So we have to "announce" what we have signed our players too then.....as far as contract length is concerned.

I can do the math from there....got it.

When do we have to announce the player contract length? End of the year?

Thanks for the help Chazz...

[BillsFanOntario]

I've spent 21.5 M of my cap, but yeah, some guys have QB/WR combos that are close to 17 million.

[BrotherChazz]

Very cool...

So we have to "announce" what we have signed our players too then.....as far as contract length is concerned.

I can do the math from there....got it.


Androk will be collecting all of this information between the FA draft and Rookie Draft. You can start preparing it all now. We'll probably have a 2 week break fromm drafting. the Rookie draft will only take a week.

[billsfan1516]

I've spent 21.5 M of my cap, but yeah, some guys have QB/WR combos that are close to 17 million.

And a lot of people laughed when I gave up alot for that second round pick...I have a pretty low cap right now, and especially since I don't have my top 5 first round pick in the draft..it makes me feel that much better now.

[BrotherChazz]

And a lot of people laughed when I gave up alot for that second round pick...I have a pretty low cap right now, and especially since I don't have my top 5 first round pick in the draft..it makes me feel that much better now.

I think it's foolish what you did.

Your low cap means nothing 4 rounds in. You could have just picked a value player that you wanted.

[BillsVa]

I think it's foolish what you did.

Your low cap means nothing 4 rounds in. You could have just picked a value player that you wanted.

Agreed. I have Brady and am only around 22 mil. That's still 63 mil to manage... just plan accordingly.

[billsfan1516]

I think it's foolish what you did.

Your low cap means nothing 4 rounds in. You could have just picked a value player that you wanted.

You can just call me Ralph Wilson, I don't have to pay the $10 mil salary to a first round pick next year, especially when they likely won't be able to contribute as much since it would be technically there rookie year, but to each his own.

[THE GURU]

just a hint to other owners/gms if you know how to use microsoft excel it is a big help organizing and managing the salaries and teams especially if you know how to set up the formulas and what not

[directFX]

I am at $15m for the 4 guys I have........not sure that is a big deal at all at this point.

[directFX]

just a hint to other owners/gms if you know how to use microsoft excel it is a big help organizing and managing the salaries and teams especially if you know how to set up the formulas and what not




HA!....finished my spreadsheet today!

[THE GURU]

HA!....finished my spreadsheet today!

yes glad im taking a class on excel this semester I know it like the back of my hand. and 15 mill for 4 players is very good (money wise idk about talent dont know your roster) we have pent 19 million on our first 4 but have got the most talented DL and DE so it was to be expected

[BrotherChazz]

You can just call me Ralph Wilson, I don't have to pay the $10 mil salary to a first round pick next year, especially when they likely won't be able to contribute as much since it would be technically there rookie year, but to each his own.

You do know that salaries are not based on where they are drafted in the FA draft, right?

[BillsVa]

HA!....finished my spreadsheet today!

The thing my team has been doing is setting up an interactive google doc so all our staff members can open the discussion tab and discuss/we just delete players as they are taken.

Also have a formula set up to calculate our cap room as we place players on the team. It works really well.

[BillsVa]

I would guess we have spent the most money so far (can't say for sure) based just on Brady...

But it's hard to argue with Brady, protected by Jones, throwing to Colston with KVB rushing the passer.

[THE GURU]

The thing my team has been doing is setting up an interactive google doc so all our staff members can open the discussion tab and discuss/we just delete players as they are taken.

Also have a formula set up to calculate our cap room as we place players on the team. It works really well.

only thing college has taught me so far how to sneak 30's into the dorm and how to use excel glas i pay 17 G's a year for that lol

[directFX]

$15m is Eli, Joe Thomas, Andre Johnson (who is a steal at $1.5m) and Urlacher

[BrotherChazz]

I'm at just about 17.5 with Adrian Peterson, Jason Peters, Logan Mankins, and Kelly Gregg...I like that.

[BillsVa]

$15m is Eli, Joe Thomas, Andre Johnson (who is a steal at $1.5m) and Urlacher

With such a high pick on Johnson, though, and with Eli's last season... it looks more like you're building for the future than this season.

By taking Brady and his 50 TDs... I'm obviously thinking this is a title run year.

Obviously the goal is to be able to do both... to win now and still be viable in the future.

[BrotherChazz]

I gree with BillsVa. Johnson is a good pick, but he missed a significant ammount of time this year, didn't he?

[Sledge]

just a hint to other owners/gms if you know how to use microsoft excel it is a big help organizing and managing the salaries and teams especially if you know how to set up the formulas and what notI wasn't going to be the one to say it haha. I was hoping it wouldn't be said at all.

[BillsVa]

I gree with BillsVa. Johnson is a good pick, but he missed a significant ammount of time this year, didn't he?

I think over half the season.

He's a great value to build a team for next year and beyond. 3 years of Johnson at under 3 mil will be great... but it is mortgaging a high pick early on this year to someone who won't be on the field for most of your games.

Same with the Freeney pick.

[BillsVa]

I wasn't going to be the one to say it haha. I was hoping it wouldn't be said at all.

yeah, once the cat was out of the bag...

[BrotherChazz]

It's not like excel is a secret...someone should actually post the forumla.

[Sledge]

It's not like excel is a secret...someone should actually post the forumla.
Yes but not many might put that together. Ah well, formula is:

CELL*1.1

Then just copy and paste that. If your first year's # is in Cell A1, and Year 2's number is in B1 then it would be

B1=A1*1.1
C1=B1*1.1

Etc.

[Sledge]

Actually Chazz, it might be worth forcing each team to make a mandatory spreadsheet for this including your players name and their contract status and such and then send them via email to an account like contractsBBSFL@yahoo.com, in which androk can then use to double check salary sheets. Gets much of the work done for him, and all he'd have to do is double check the formula is used everywhere correctly, and players are obviously on the team the owner says they are.

[Skeletor]

18.78 million for this line-up (see sig)?

I'm ecstatic.

I have a top 5 QB, that will free up 7.8 mil in cap space. Definitely SB style QB.

Thee top Interior lineman for years.

The next 2000 all purpose yard back...keeper. MB3 is nuts. He catches out of the backfield too.

Great value WR in Jennings with huge TD numbers...another keeper.

I'm really happy. All player 16 games healthy, too.

[BillsVa]

All I know is I'll put my team's 4 against any 4 selected now, haha.

[Skeletor]

All I know is I'll put my team's 4 against any 4 selected now, haha.

This is an endurance event....good luck after round 20.

[BillsVa]

I think I can even out the $5 mil you have on me right now over the long run.

I think having Brady on my team is worth spotting you $5 mil.

Also, you better hope you can find a suitable QB replacement for next season... :-P

[BillsVa]

Btw, I like picturing our two avatars having this discussion. Pretty funny.

[Skeletor]

Btw, I like picturing our two avatars having this discussion. Pretty funny.

Skeletor would beat the crap out of your dude...whoever he is...

Favre will have a suitable replacement this next year. His last name might be Rodgers, and yes, it's a big maybe. There are a number of late round value quarterbacks. Shoot, Jarmarcus Russell is a LOW cap hit and he's the #1 overall pick last year. Trent Edwards? Hello?

A few people questioned me for taking Favre, but he's a top 4 QB this year.

Watch out!

Not that I'm giving away my strategy or anything;)

[billsfan1516]

Skeletor would beat the crap out of your dude...whoever he is...

Favre will have a suitable replacement this next year. His last name might be Rodgers, and yes, it's a big maybe. There are a number of late round value quarterbacks. Shoot, Jarmarcus Russell is a LOW cap hit and he's the #1 overall pick last year. Trent Edwards? Hello?

A few people questioned me for taking Favre, but he's a top 4 QB this year.

Watch out!

Not that I'm giving away my strategy or anything;)

Are we talking the actual skeletor or Big Dick Jauron?

Secondly...on a side note..I remember reading somewhere about the cap room but I can't find out how much of cap room we actually have.

[BillsVa]

Skeletor would beat the crap out of your dude...whoever he is...

Favre will have a suitable replacement this next year. His last name might be Rodgers, and yes, it's a big maybe. There are a number of late round value quarterbacks. Shoot, Jarmarcus Russell is a LOW cap hit and he's the #1 overall pick last year. Trent Edwards? Hello?

A few people questioned me for taking Favre, but he's a top 4 QB this year.

Watch out!

Not that I'm giving away my strategy or anything;)

You didn't recognize the Joker??? It even says his name right there!

Sure, Skeletor would win in a fight... but the Joker doesn't need to fight, he has minions.

Anyway, best of luck to you.

[Skeletor]

Are we talking the actual skeletor or Big Dick Jauron?

Secondly...on a side note..I remember reading somewhere about the cap room but I can't find out how much of cap room we actually have.

85 million each year. It'll probably go up each year, by 10% I'm hoping, but that won't be determined until after the first year I guess, as per Chazz-a-licious.

[billsfan1516]

85 million each year. It'll probably go up each year, by 10% I'm hoping, but that won't be determined until after the first year I guess, as per Chazz-a-licious.

thanks a lot man.

[Skeletor]

You didn't recognize the Joker??? It even says his name right there!

Sure, Skeletor would win in a fight... but the Joker doesn't need to fight, he has minions.

Anyway, best of luck to you.

Hey you too...if you want to trade Brady next year, consider me a fit if i can't find a decent #2...LOL...I get first dibs, especially if I end up going 3-13....

I have a feeling some people are going to get a seriously rude awakening come first week of the season. They are going to look back at the draft and go DUH-OH:dolfans:....WOOPS!

It'll be funny to see....

[STOP HATIN]

Well all I know is there are alot of people trying to convince themselves they have did a good job so far. And a few people have but there have been some off the wall picks.
Quick question. Example Marion Barber.
Is it going to take into consideration that he split time. Because he had less than 1000 yards but had he been full time that number might have jumped to 1300. So are they to base production off of YPC, final stats or projected stats giving him all the carries. Sorry if this is confusing, but I am confused.

[directFX]

I gree with BillsVa. Johnson is a good pick, but he missed a significant ammount of time this year, didn't he?



Six games. And I knew that when I picked him.

[Skeletor]

Well all I know is there are alot of people trying to convince themselves they have did a good job so far. And a few people have but there have been some off the wall picks.
Quick question. Example Marion Barber.
Is it going to take into consideration that he split time. Because he had less than 1000 yards but had he been full time that number might have jumped to 1300. So are they to base production off of YPC, final stats or projected stats giving him all the carries. Sorry if this is confusing, but I am confused.

I'd be willing to bet that TD's and YPC are more important than carries. Carries matter, but Barber was the only RB left who had:

10 TD's (I think this stat is HUGE)
300-ish receiving yards
4.8 YPC (This one too, he runs like Lynch)
16 healthy games

-AND-

Upside beyond the first year. I will certainly have to grab another RB or two, but I am going to for upside in those guys too. Julius Jones left this off season, so I'm betting that they're gonna make MB3 their feature back.

Also, remember that complimentary players have an impact. So, having a guy like Saturday in front of Barber and Favre could improve both of their play, and stats.

Jennings, too:

He had 900+ yards receiving, and only 50+ receptions.
He also had a 17.8 YPC and 12TD's!

He's big on the long ball, and I'm not about to discount the connection between him and my QB.

He also had 16 games healthy.
He's also on the upswing in his career, major upside, only 2 years deep.
Oh, and he only cost $1.8 million. MUCH cheaper than other receivers.

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That was my train of thought anyways. There's a bunch of variables, and we'll see who made out like a bandit and who didn't come the season. We're all new at this, so GOOD LUCK!!

M

[STOP HATIN]

I'd be willing to bet that TD's and YPC are more important than carries. Carries matter, but Barber was the only RB left who had:

10 TD's (I think this stat is HUGE)
300-ish receiving yards
4.8 YPC (This one too, he runs like Lynch)
16 healthy games

-AND-

Upside beyond the first year. I will certainly have to grab another RB or two, but I am going to for upside in those guys too. Julius Jones left this off season, so I'm betting that they're gonna make MB3 their feature back.

Also, remember that complimentary players have an impact. So, having a guy like Saturday in front of Barber and Favre could improve both of their play, and stats.

Jennings, too:

He had 900+ yards receiving, and only 50+ receptions.
He also had a 17.8 YPC and 12TD's!

He's big on the long ball, and I'm not about to discount the connection between him and my QB.

He also had 16 games healthy.
He's also on the upswing in his career, major upside, only 2 years deep.
Oh, and he only cost $1.8 million. MUCH cheaper than other receivers.

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That was my train of thought anyways. There's a bunch of variables, and we'll see who made out like a bandit and who didn't come the season. We're all new at this, so GOOD LUCK!!

M


Thanks for the info. I was wandering how a player like Jones-Drew would be looked at. Everyone knows he is a solid back. But would it hurt him being he splits time. And his numbers aren't what they should be if he was a featured back.