Really Buffalo? Hardy over Kelly, Sweed and Davis. REALLY?

[cancer42292]

Wow, just when i thought the Bills had some brains with an awesome 1st round pick in McKlevin, they bring me back to earth with James its all about me Hardy. There is little upside to him other than his height, but what good is that gonna do when he breaks his knee in the 1st game. So, we choose Hardy, and i could have lived with that IF Sweed, Davis, and Malcolm Kelly who about a month ago a ton of people were taking in the 1st round were not there. I would take any one of them over Hardy. Sweed and Kelly both are WR and fit the height need, but they dont have character issues and arent so tall that they will get hit low and get hurt. Why o why do we even try if we are going to be stupid like this?

[cancer42292]

Hardy put those bums to shame.

yah, thats what she said.

[FieldGeneral#5]

Do you know how many teams passed up on Sweed and Kelly? If the Bills listened to guys like you, Kelly would have been a #11 pick and Ralph would owe him about $10 million guaranteed. I even made a thread where I thought that there would only be 2 WRs drafted towards the end of round 1 and everyone laughed at me. There were actually NONE selected because none are worthy of first round money based on their past performance.

[Trey]

Wow, just when i thought the Bills had some brains with an awesome 1st round pick in McKlevin, they bring me back to earth with James its all about me Hardy. There is little upside to him other than his height, but what good is that gonna do when he breaks his knee in the 1st game. So, we choose Hardy, and i could have lived with that IF Sweed, Davis, and Malcolm Kelly who about a month ago a ton of people were taking in the 1st round were not there. I would take any one of them over Hardy. Sweed and Kelly both are WR and fit the height need, but they dont have character issues and arent so tall that they will get hit low and get hurt. Why o why do we even try if we are going to be stupid like this?

A room of scouts, coaches and Bills CEOs who spent 4+ months evaluating and re-evaluating many potential draft picks for every position >>>> you and your probably-beer-induced opinion.

Hardy will be good for us, he fits what the Bills needed at the WR2 postion to a tee: speed and height.

[bledsuck]

Wow, just when i thought the Bills had some brains with an awesome 1st round pick in McKlevin, they bring me back to earth with James its all about me Hardy. There is little upside to him other than his height, but what good is that gonna do when he breaks his knee in the 1st game. So, we choose Hardy, and i could have lived with that IF Sweed, Davis, and Malcolm Kelly who about a month ago a ton of people were taking in the 1st round were not there. I would take any one of them over Hardy. Sweed and Kelly both are WR and fit the height need, but they dont have character issues and arent so tall that they will get hit low and get hurt. Why o why do we even try if we are going to be stupid like this?

Yawn.

You bring no valid argument to the table other than a subjective rant...

Go get yourself a hardy jersey and get over it. That is, if he doesn't "break his knee."

[bochman]

Wow, just when i thought the Bills had some brains with an awesome 1st round pick in McKlevin, they bring me back to earth with James its all about me Hardy. There is little upside to him other than his height, but what good is that gonna do when he breaks his knee in the 1st game. So, we choose Hardy, and i could have lived with that IF Sweed, Davis, and Malcolm Kelly who about a month ago a ton of people were taking in the 1st round were not there. I would take any one of them over Hardy. Sweed and Kelly both are WR and fit the height need, but they dont have character issues and arent so tall that they will get hit low and get hurt. Why o why do we even try if we are going to be stupid like this?


to quote my good friend cameron frye from ferris buellers day off......................"Pardon my french.........but you're an a**hole!"

[tijo]

Wow you really are a cancer on these boards.

Can't say anything good about one of the top receiving prospects in this draft.

who do you want ?

Limas Sweed who averaged 2.48 catches a game for his 50 game career at Texas ?

That is really pathedic.

[ImpressingAGENT]

pathetic


hardy ran faster then kelly and has better body control then sweed. his stats are also very good. i don't watch much college football, though it seems like hardy has the potential to do the things this team needs.

ps. whats up with the name? not exactly the tacobell dog

[cancer42292]

Do you know how many teams passed up on Sweed and Kelly? If the Bills listened to guys like you, Kelly would have been a #11 pick and Ralph would owe him about $10 million guaranteed. I even made a thread where I thought that there would only be 2 WRs drafted towards the end of round 1 and everyone laughed at me. There were actually NONE selected because none are worthy of first round money based on their past performance.

i know he isnt worth first round money. But he is **** sure worth second round money and based on this year's draft trend, Hardy is only worth third round money. He is the 5th best WR on my board and on a lot of people's boards. Kelly and Sweed were both ranked ahead of him and both were on the board. Hardy isnt worth it.

[shaunta53]

i know he isnt worth first round money. But he is **** sure worth second round money and based on this year's draft trend, Hardy is only worth third round money. He is the 5th best WR on my board and on a lot of people's boards. Kelly and Sweed were both ranked ahead of him and both were on the board. Hardy isnt worth it.

Did your board have Donnie Avery and Jordy Nelson being the first two WR's taken?

[lynchisthefuture]

i know he isnt worth first round money. But he is **** sure worth second round money and based on this year's draft trend, Hardy is only worth third round money. He is the 5th best WR on my board and on a lot of people's boards. Kelly and Sweed were both ranked ahead of him and both were on the board. Hardy isnt worth it.

Since when does your board matter?

[FieldGeneral#5]

Unless you're Bill Parcells, your draft board means jack squat.

[eregitano]

fail......

[Jackington]

Where was Avery on your board? In the NFL he was #1. Our biggest weekness isnt moving the chains, it's getting into the end zone. And Hardy is THE BEST WR at doing that in the draft...

[cancer42292]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

[MCNPA]

I think he's talking about his Ouija board!

[Hardywith60catches]

the team got what they needed and with their track record of analyzing players I'll stand by them

[SmileBit299]

From what Ive gathered James Hardy has the most upside and potential of any wide reciver in this years draft. His biggest downside is character.

[ImpressingAGENT]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

if the only thing u care about is being right? why do you rely on other peoples information?

[eregitano]

yeah having a Randy Moss like receiver really sucks.

[cancer42292]

Dont think im trashing the Bills organization completely or james hardy, cause im not. It takes a great athlete to be drafted into the NFL. However, i just believe that he wasn't the best guy available. Nor was he second best either, he was third best.

[shaunta53]

Dont think im trashing the Bills organization completely or james hardy, cause im not. It takes a great athlete to be drafted into the NFL. However, i just believe that he wasn't the best guy available. Nor was he second best either, he was third best.

the first and second best WR's went to STL and Green bay, so im not upset...

[cancer42292]

if the only thing u care about is being right? why do you rely on other peoples information?

Ok, that is low. Saying i use other people's information is an insult to me and everything i stand for. I never, ever, plagiarize. I watch game film, do my homework, and create my own opinions, rankings and draft boards. I just believe he is the wrong pick. Kelly has the strongest hands out of everyone in this draft, he still has size, and his game speed is much faster then his timed one. He is the guy we should have taken, not Hardy.

[shaunta53]

Ok, that is low. Saying i use other people's information is an insult to me and everything i stand for. I never, ever, plagiarize. I watch game film, do my homework, and create my own opinions, rankings and draft boards. I just believe he is the wrong pick. Kelly has the strongest hands out of everyone in this draft, he still has size, and his game speed is much faster then his timed one. He is the guy we should have taken, not Hardy.

unless your on an NFL payroll, your opinion (as well as everyone else's on here) doesnt mean squat....

[Marshawn=TD's]

Ok, that is low. Saying i use other people's information is an insult to me and everything i stand for. I never, ever, plagiarize. I watch game film, do my homework, and create my own opinions, rankings and draft boards. I just believe he is the wrong pick. Kelly has the strongest hands out of everyone in this draft, he still has size, and his game speed is much faster then his timed one. He is the guy we should have taken, not Hardy.

Have you broken down game film or just watched highlights? The Bills brass for four months broke down every single play. There is a reason Jerome Simpson, Donnie Avery, Devon Thomas, James Hardy, Jordy Nelson were taking ahead of Kelly and Sweed.

[bail]

A room of scouts, coaches and Bills CEOs who spent 4+ months evaluating and re-evaluating many potential draft picks for every position >>>> you and your probably-beer-induced opinion.

Hardy will be good for us, he fits what the Bills needed at the WR2 postion to a tee: speed and height.

I wouldn't think so highly of your coaches and scouts, we haven't been to the playoffs since 99'. Wasn't Modrake a scout then also? So come on give us fans some credit sometimes (alot of times) these coaches and scouts don't get it right. It boggles the mind that they had all this time to think about it and still get it wrong.

[osucollegebuckeye]

Since when does your board matter?


Its called the Kiper Syndrome very diffulcult disease among football fans

[ImpressingAGENT]

Ok, that is low. Saying i use other people's information is an insult to me and everything i stand for. I never, ever, plagiarize. I watch game film, do my homework, and create my own opinions, rankings and draft boards. I just believe he is the wrong pick. Kelly has the strongest hands out of everyone in this draft, he still has size, and his game speed is much faster then his timed one. He is the guy we should have taken, not Hardy.

well ill admit... i am with you there about kelly's hands. they are mesmerizing. I think that most teams did not find a clear number one wr for a variety of reasons and perhaps thats why none of them got picked till later.

i was thinking it was going to be kelly also. however if we can get hardy in our system, he has the potential to be such a dynamic match up.

[Battle941]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

You can't wait till he turns into a bust?! Who are you? Hardy hasn't even stepped foot in Buffalo yet and you're calling him a bust hours after he's been selected.

You are not a Bills fan if you are rooting for one of their players to play poorly just so you can prove a point. I can't stand people like you. Please remove yourself from these boards.

[Dylanme8]

Its called the Kiper Syndrome very diffulcult disease among football fans

hahaha thats a good one seems like a lot of fans got it they do know more than our staff and nobody can tell them different haahaha

[osucollegebuckeye]

hahaha thats a good one seems like a lot of fans got it they do know more than our staff and nobody can tell them different haahaha

Nice sig, BobbyRaul sure was in rare form today. LOL

[Trey]

I wouldn't think so highly of your coaches and scouts, we haven't been to the playoffs since 99'. Wasn't Modrake a scout then also? So come on give us fans some credit sometimes (alot of times) these coaches and scouts don't get it right. It boggles the mind that they had all this time to think about it and still get it wrong.

It still does not change the fact that they have infintely more credibility than the average fan who saw a few highlights and glanced at a stat sheet.

I'm not thinking highly of the Bills' front office; you're insulting them by insinuating a mere fan could possibly have equal or better insight than the people sitting behind the doors of the "War" room.

[UpstateRules]

He was the best red zone, touchdown wr on the draft board. He also played basketball for IU and has the right atheleticism. I guess he fits the bill!!

Now is your draft board used by another NFL franchise or just set up in your basement??

[cancer42292]

Have you broken down game film or just watched highlights? The Bills brass for four months broke down every single play. There is a reason Jerome Simpson, Donnie Avery, Devon Thomas, James Hardy, Jordy Nelson were taking ahead of Kelly and Sweed.

See, thats the exact difference between 99% of the people on these boards and me and a few others. I along with a select few, have been studying these guys for a long time. I actually took time to watch every single game they have played. unlike that 99% who watch ESPN and listen to what they say or watch highlights, i watch them play. I have seen every game this year on my top 5 WR(Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Early Doucet, and James Hardy) and i watched all of last year's games of Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, and Early Doucet because i was impressed with them. I dont just make wild accusations on here. I actually have some knowledge and dont just go along with public concensus, i make my own opinion

[FieldGeneral#5]

6'6" 215 pound WR who can run 4.4 and has good hands. Yeah really, who wants that?

[Viro]

well ill admit... i am with you there about kelly's hands. they are mesmerizing. I think that most teams did not find a clear number one wr for a variety of reasons and perhaps thats why none of them got picked till later.

i was thinking it was going to be kelly also. however if we can get hardy in our system, he has the potential to be such a dynamic match up.

None of them get picked until later because Offensive Lines and Defensive picks are the most stable things a team can grab in the first round. WRs, RBs, and QBs are the hardest positions to fill. You don't just get a Peyton Manning, an Adrian Peterson, a Marshawn every year to draft in the first round.

As far as WR goes, it's common knowlege that it takes 3 years for one to develop properly so if you're lucky if you get one to produce because the stats say that over the past 8 drafts QBs, RBs and WRs suck for the first round. Most of the playmakers, players who were drafted in the first round, have succeeded or met expectations of their draft order.

[Marshawn=TD's]

See, thats the exact difference between 99% of the people on these boards and me and a few others. I along with a select few, have been studying these guys for a long time. I actually took time to watch every single game they have played. unlike that 99% who watch ESPN and listen to what they say or watch highlights, i watch them play. I have seen every game this year on my top 5 WR(Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Early Doucet, and James Hardy) and i watched all of last year's games of Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, and Early Doucet because i was impressed with them. I dont just make wild accusations on here. I actually have some knowledge and dont just go along with public concensus, i make my own opinion

What has been Buffalo's biggest offensive problem? Scoring in the redzone. Hardy was the best redzone target. Now when we move the ball down the field, we shouldn't have to kick FG's as much.

[Dylanme8]

Nice sig, BobbyRaul sure was in rare form today. LOL

Well he thought he was getting traded....... I Couldn't read him though, was he pissed he didn't get traded or was he mad we got a weapon for trent to throw to

[LTarmy]

Yawn.

You bring no valid argument to the table other than a subjective rant...

Go get yourself a hardy jersey and get over it. That is, if he doesn't "break his knee."

I agree,

If you don't like a player, then you need to give a reason. All this guy did was blow smoke out of his BUTT.

[lynchisthefuture]

See, thats the exact difference between 99% of the people on these boards and me and a few others. I along with a select few, have been studying these guys for a long time. I actually took time to watch every single game they have played. unlike that 99% who watch ESPN and listen to what they say or watch highlights, i watch them play. I have seen every game this year on my top 5 WR(Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Early Doucet, and James Hardy) and i watched all of last year's games of Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, and Early Doucet because i was impressed with them. I dont just make wild accusations on here. I actually have some knowledge and dont just go along with public concensus, i make my own opinion

I guess all the teams' scouts that took WRs before Kelly and Thomas disagree with you.

[osucollegebuckeye]

Well he thought he was getting traded....... I Couldn't read him though, was he pissed he didn't get traded or was he mad we got a weapon for trent to throw to

No he threw hardy under the bus. you'd think he'd like another target if edwards happened to go down. It had to really annoy him when we passed on his boy Brohm.

[ImpressingAGENT]

it doesn't take much skill to watch sports. i'm sure there must be a difference between a professional scouting team and one fan. i wonder if hardy would ever run a reverse? is that something we are looking to do? so what is it we are looking to do and which player fits that mould.?

better for whom is really the question. i thought the bills did a fine job at letting everyone know they needed a wr. in a sense we set the market and got lucky to make two solid first day changes.

[FieldGeneral#5]

This guy watches all the games for all these WRs so he can scout them out for an internet forum and doesn't get paid to do so. Talk about no light in the bell tower.

[bkreigh]

Hey guys you just picked up a new fan here because of Hardy. Hardy is a great receiver. Sure he has some past character issues but i think all that has been taken care of.

He has recorded double digit TD in 3 years at a lower tiered Big Ten school. The QB were average and he finds ways to get open. Whether it be with his size or the the limited speed he has. Once he works on his passing routes he will be amazing. I can wait to watch Edwards air it out to him.

[bkreigh]

Ohh yeah...is there a new member introduction thread around here?

[cancer42292]

I agree,

If you don't like a player, then you need to give a reason. All this guy did was blow smoke out of his BUTT.

DUDE, ARE YOU HIGH? I gave about 100 reasons. I have been studying these recievers along with other Bills needs for a long time. Its not like im just pulling this out of my *** or something. I said he has major character issues, is actually so tall that if he gets hit low his legs are vulnerable to injury, does not have the best hands in this draft(those belong to Malcolm Kelly, the man we should have taken)and on film does not look like 4.4 speed. He just had a good workout where as Kelly is the opposite. He had an awful running workout but is a lot faster on the field. Kelly didnt have a horrible pro day though as he caught the ball well, so i feel he should have been the pick over Hardy.

[cancer42292]

This guy watches all the games for all these WRs so he can scout them out for an internet forum and doesn't get paid to do so. Talk about no light in the bell tower.

actually, im an advisor for a few NFL teams(mostly Detroit, Washington, and the Cheifs) as a scout. I do get paid to do so, but im not a full scout. Even if i dont actually have a team im working for at the time, i still watch all the film and such to be educated when i come online and listen to you guys and your "wisdom." I also take a little more time to look at the Bills needs.

[ibleedblue]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

god you gotta be a ignorant son of a b*tch..you are the cancer.get of this board you *ick

[cancer42292]

god you gotta be a ignorant son of a b*tch..you are the cancer.get of this board you *ick

hey, mods. I just got a warning for insulting these ***s. Give him one 2!!

[FieldGeneral#5]

actually, im an advisor for a few NFL teams(mostly Detroit, Washington, and the Cheifs) as a scout. I do get paid to do so, but im not a full scout. Even if i dont actually have a team im working for at the time, i still watch all the film and such to be educated when i come online and listen to you guys and your "wisdom." I also take a little more time to look at the Bills needs.

Yeah, because real scouts go onto message boards to argue with teams' fans.

[ImpressingAGENT]

well i am the richest person in the world too!But still, it doesn't explain why u want him to fail?

[cancer42292]

Yeah, because real scouts go onto message boards to argue with teams' fans.

yah, actually, you arent gonna believe this. Not full-time pro scouts do it, but advisors like me absolutely love to come on here and listen to what you guys say and laugh and laugh and laugh. It takes some stress of traveling and work. When we run into each other, it is usually one of the first things we talk about. Its absolutely hilarious watching you guys all argue with me. hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhaha

[billsfantampa]

He was the best red zone, touchdown wr on the draft board. [b]He also played basketball for IU and has the right atheleticism.[b/] I guess he fits the bill!!

Now is your draft board used by another NFL franchise or just set up in your basement??
Exactly! Extremely agile..hmmm I think Antonio Gates played basketball too..not a bad comparison.

We should still pick up Monk..6'6" 220 lbs, very fast also.

[cancer42292]

well i am the richest person in the world too. still, it doesn't explain why u want him to fail?

i dont want him to fail, i hope im wrong. I am a diehard bills fan. That being said, im just stating my opinion on who i think will have more success on the pro level.

[LTarmy]

DUDE, ARE YOU HIGH? I gave about 100 reasons. I have been studying these recievers along with other Bills needs for a long time. Its not like im just pulling this out of my *** or something. I said he has major character issues, is actually so tall that if he gets hit low his legs are vulnerable to injury, does not have the best hands in this draft(those belong to Malcolm Kelly, the man we should have taken)and on film does not look like 4.4 speed. He just had a good workout where as Kelly is the opposite. He had an awful running workout but is a lot faster on the field. Kelly didnt have a horrible pro day though as he caught the ball well, so i feel he should have been the pick over Hardy.


Kelly blamed everyone for his poor time at his workout. He ran on the same track that Adrian Peterson ran on and he ran well.

All the WR's caught the ball well at their workouts. He showed up out of shape and his run time was horrible.

Hardy was health his senior year, Kelly was beat up. hardy workout at the combine, Kelly didn't.

Hardy and Kelly was a toss up, but neither were clearly better than the other. Also, Hardy was the best WR on his team, many scouts felt that Kelly underachieved on a decent team.

[Dylanme8]

No he threw hardy under the bus. you'd think he'd like another target if edwards happened to go down. It had to really annoy him when we passed on his boy Brohm.

haha when he dropped i thought he might be here for day two and you know thats all bobby would be talking about

[TigerJ]

You're entitled to your opinion, cancer. I don't begrudge you of that at all. For myself, I think the character concern has been sufficiently answered. I also don't buy the theory about injury risk because of his height. Harold Carmichael had a long productive career with Philadelphia. He was about Hardy's height, though probably not quite as fast.

I would have been happy with Sweed who seems to be a smart, high character guy, with similar speed to Hardy. His slow healing wrist is a bit of a concern though. I once liked Kelly, but between his slow 40 time, concerns raised about his knees and his whining about reasons for his slow 40 time, I'm not sad that Buffalo passed on him.

My biggest concerns with Hardy is he needs work on route running and he's not as strong as he might be. Those things might take a while to address. I don't know that Kelly or Sweed will be more productive earlier though.

[bkreigh]

6'6" 215 pound WR who can run 4.4 and has good hands. Yeah really, who wants that?

If you go back to when IU recruited him for basketball he was listed at 6'7". Doesnt that sound bette :thumbsup: Sure they up players heights in the programs but it does sound better

[Marshawn=TD's]

actually, im an advisor for a few NFL teams(mostly Detroit, Washington, and the Cheifs) as a scout. I do get paid to do so, but im not a full scout. Even if i dont actually have a team im working for at the time, i still watch all the film and such to be educated when i come online and listen to you guys and your "wisdom." I also take a little more time to look at the Bills needs.
So you say Hardy has character issues. The bad knees of Malcolm Kelly and bad wrist of Limas Sweed aren't any concerns?

[Dylanme8]

yah, actually, you arent gonna believe this. Not full-time pro scouts do it, but advisors like me absolutely love to come on here and listen to what you guys say and laugh and laugh and laugh. It takes some stress of traveling and work. When we run into each other, it is usually one of the first things we talk about. Its absolutely hilarious watching you guys all argue with me. hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhaha

Umm....... Your right we don't believe you and doing this doesn't make us believe you more
hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhaha

[guin214]

Advisor that's ridiculous don't come on this site and throw around garbage like that, if you were an advisor you'd be advising not spewing the diarrea of the mouth

[shaunta53]

your a joke....

anything said on here about your "credentials", unless backed up by another poster, is worthless. Anyone can come on and say they are a scout/advisor...

get real...

[B-Diddy]

Look at his sig:

7C. ME WR Eden High School!!!

I assume "ME" is him. Somehow I don't think NFL teams have a lot of high school kids "scouting" for them. Full of crap...

[steckmeister03]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

I can't wait to see your first post when the season gets under way saying how much of a beast he is...

now... what makes what I just said any more informed than yours? nothing... you might just want to cut yourself short before you post next time...

and when you say he has little upside you're insane... Hardy, aside from his natural size speed and fluidity when he runs and natural catching ability... he's very very very VERY raw... with coaching he's moves will be sharper, his routes more crisp, oh, and he actually has room on his frame to get bigger and more toned as well without losing much speed, in fact, when he gains a little bit more muscle he'll be even faster...

and tall recievers don't have a huge history of being hurt... I don't even know where you get that from.. the only WR that has a injury history that's considered big is Terrel Owens, and that's because I've never seen that guy pluck a ball out and cover up when he goes over the middle... he stands straight up and takes huge hits that most WRs are smart enough to duck out of...

Kelly and Sweed aren't deserving of the high horse you've put them on... Kelly runs horrible routes, which, doesn't make much ground after the catch, is even slower than hardy(kelly ran a 4.54-4.58 at his pro day while Hardy ran 4.45) and hardy has about equal hands, and a much better vertical... and uses his body better than any other wide out when he gets in the red zone... for christ's sake he has 36 TDs in 36 games.... the guy can play, and he'll only get better under this teams coaching staff and his fellow teamates leadership.

[KcoxBillsfan]

Look at his sig:

7C. ME WR Eden High School!!!

I assume "ME" is him. Somehow, I don't think NFL teams have a lot of high school kids "scouting" for them. Full of crap...

The kid is 16 man, 4/22/92 is his birthday, and he plays high school football. Some free advice kid, never claim/pretend to be a scout, no one will ever believe you.

[*Beast_Mode*]

hahaha this kid is so friggin dumb

[mcpoet]

LMAO!! He probably lives in his mom's basement and calls it the "War Room"!!

I was leaning slightly towards Sweed, but I honestly think that the separation amongst this years group of receivers is significantly less than in some years past. Ultimately, I think that's the reason receivers slipped so far in the draft-- there wasn't much incentive to take someone when teams knew that could get nearly equivalent talent at a better value later in the draft. I can understand why someone might like Kelly or Sweed more than Hardy, but to imply that there's a huge difference in the talent level between them is to distort the truth.

Kelly has great hands, but has some injury problems, his timed speed is a question, and there have to be some concerns about how he handles adversity after how he handled his Pro Day.

Sweed really looks impressive on tape. Just looking at the one-handed catch he made 40 yards down the field, with two guys draped on his back, is enough to convert just about anyone to his bandwagon. But, there's obviously some reason why teams passed on him....why Buffalo never even seemed to consider him or acknowledge him as one of the top WRs available in the draft. Between his wrist and his lack of consistent production, you have to wonder about how productive he'll be at the pro level. And beyond that, Texas has a bad rep for producing Pro players. Need I remind you that our good friend Mike Williams was a Longhorn. All World Prospect Michael Huff was a Longhorn...yeah, the one who was head and shoulders above Donte Whitner to the point where everyone scoffed when the Bills took Whitner. Now, the Raiders are trying to trade the guy or figure out what to do with him. Too many busts coming out of that program for my tastes, personally.

Hardy, meanwhile, essentially scored 36 touchdowns in 3 years, was able to do that in spite of still being raw, and really does seem like a good kid the more you learn about him. Remember, the bills weren't supposed to take Marshawn last year because of supposed character concerns, but the Bills did their homework, and it turns out the guy's a mama's boy! I'm less concerned with a kid that got in trouble once or twice than a kid who's going to be a distraction in the locker room, or who will get lazy once he gets paid, or lacks a good work ethic, or who doesn't truly have the passion and intensity and love for the game that you need to succeed at the NFL level. To me, as long as the incident was isolated and the kid has all those other qualities you look for, go ahead and take him. Beyond that, once a culture is established in a locker room, guys who were problems in the past have a way of assimilating into the established culture....especially rookies. You have to have a little faith in your coaching staff and your vets.

I, along with most every other Bills fan, questioned the wisdom of taking a quarterback with our 3rd round pick last year, given that we seemingly had bigger needs, and look how that turned out. I have confidence that OBD made the best choice they were capable of making with the information available to them, and based on the team's needs. We needed a red zone target, more than anything, and this guy was the best red zone target available to us....in spite of still being raw and underdeveloped! He brings a rare package and skill set to the table, and his ceiling is as high, if not higher, than any other receiver in this draft. I can understand disagreeing with the pick, but to to rant and rave and become indignant is pushing it, I think.

I think this year will be the first once in a long time where the Bills will be able to seriously contend for a playoff spot and not have everyone view it as a fluke. Can't wait for the season to start!!!!

[BillsForevers]

See, thats the exact difference between 99% of the people on these boards and me and a few others. I along with a select few, have been studying these guys for a long time. I actually took time to watch every single game they have played. unlike that 99% who watch ESPN and listen to what they say or watch highlights, i watch them play. I have seen every game this year on my top 5 WR(Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Early Doucet, and James Hardy) and i watched all of last year's games of Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, and Early Doucet because i was impressed with them. I dont just make wild accusations on here. I actually have some knowledge and dont just go along with public concensus, i make my own opinion

I believe you are full of fecal matter!

[bigfootcanfly]

This guy is 16 on the east coast... past his bed time.. think hes a bit tired... prob has some homework to do or something. Hardy was a great choice, i myself was leaning towards kelly with the pick but with hardy u cant be upset. like as was posted prior... 36 touchdowns in 36 games... avg that out... im sure they still teach math in highschool. we definantly could use a playmaker like this.

[TLizChosen]

After taking a closer look, I love the pick. He is going to be a Red Zone beast. The past is probably going to give him more focus to do well.

[BuffaloBillsHeart]

I absolutely love th pick of Hardy, who I thought was very underrated. I know - and you'll probably know it - that I was infatuated with Kelly, but after watching him at the combine and vs. Penn State he stood out to me as a heck of WR, who could very well turn out to be a better and more athletic version of Plaxico Burress.

[Providence]

What good is any player if they break there knee in the first game..? :shrug:

[Truthbluth]

The best part about this "scout" is that he makes up players. Look at his sig. "Tommy Kelly DE TCU." Who in the world is that? And if he means Tommy Blake, who in the world would want him? What a comedy.

[bunnerjk]

The only other player I would even considered would have been Sweed, but I think we made the right choice!!!!

[FieldGeneral#5]

What's the matter "cancer", mommy hasn't made you breakfast yet? Is that why you haven't responded to any of our posts? Or is it that you're too busy in your war room studying tape on next year's players?

I have never seen such a complete lying tool on any forum until you came along.

[DrinkinDUFFinBUFF]

oh i like the pick plenty hes a beast
plaxico anyone?

[grundy208]

I got to see Hardy play a few times, this guy has great upside. His hands are unbelievable! That with his size will give us what we need in the red zone. How many times did we see field goals after great drives this year???? You get the big guy in the endzone and just throw it up. His potential excites me! A few weeks into the season and the naysayers will see what the scouting department saw. I know I am excited for this kid!!!!

[GoldenWheels]

Unbeknownst to you you guys I am in reality Tom Donahoe.

[steckmeister03]

lol Man, this kid is classic....


lol I'm a pro scout... I work for the chiefs.... I'm an adviser.... I'm 16...
I go to Eden High school.... lol you think if he's gonna bullsh*t he'd at least change his sig first...


that made my day....


I'll be looking for him if he ever comes back... lol can't wait...

[AFBILLSFAN]

All I am hoping to see out of this guy his first year out is those 10 -15 yard catches in the back of the end zone that we had so many issues with last year. He is 6’5” 6’6” depending on what you read he better be able to get jump balls

[Chiefs899]

your a joke....

anything said on here about your "credentials", unless backed up by another poster, is worthless. Anyone can come on and say they are a scout/advisor...

get real...

i dont like the fact that you guys are pickin on my man cancer. I ran into him today and we started talking about stuff online. Then he told me this entire story about how he came on here and decided to make fun of james hardy to get a good laugh. He then said that he was reading some of the posts earlier today and told me how you guys dont believe that NFL teams have scouting advisors. So, he told me to go home and create an account on here to explain to you guys that he is for real and that there is such a thing as scouting advisors. Any questions you have I'll be happy to answer. Oh and he really isn't 16 either. We all put fake ages on our accounts. Like, I'm really not 35(or am I!)

[Chiefs899]

lol Man, this kid is classic....


lol I'm a pro scout... I work for the chiefs.... I'm an adviser.... I'm 16...
I go to Eden High school.... lol you think if he's gonna bullsh*t he'd at least change his sig first...


that made my day....


I'll be looking for him if he ever comes back... lol can't wait...

he doesnt work for the chiefs that i know of. I met him in Detroit and he said he has worked for Detroit, Washington and i think St. Louis, but not KC. I have worked for KC, DET, and NE.

[51TAKEO]

Oh now we have two scouts. Don't you children have anything better to do?

[aaronherriges]

When I see Hardy play, I think Plaxico, and a super bowl. We're gonna score this year! Very good pick!

[Chiefs899]

Oh now we have two scouts. Don't you children have anything better to do?

thats fine. you dont have to believe either of us. Personally Cancer cares a lot more than i do because he is a member on this board and i am not, but still. It is not my business to try to make you believe me. But just dont trash cancer because you know nothing about him. He is a good man and a good scout. Let him have his opinion and leave a little backlash on him so he gets a good laugh but dont completely trash him.

If anyone wants to ask me any questions feel free. I'll be on for about a half hour, then i wont be on ever again. So if you dont believe me, ask away!

[51TAKEO]

thats fine. you dont have to believe either of us. Personally Cancer cares a lot more than i do because he is a member on this board and i am not, but still. It is not my business to try to make you believe me. But just dont trash cancer because you know nothing about him. He is a good man and a good scout. Let him have his opinion and leave a little backlash on him so he gets a good laugh but dont completely trash him.

If anyone wants to ask me any questions feel free. I'll be on for about a half hour, then i wont be on ever again. So if you dont believe me, ask away!

The trashing is his own fault. He's the one that came on here whining about the Hardy pick and saying the Bills made a mistake etc. If he's a scout maybe he should take his "knowledge" somewhere else. Because on this board he is no better than anybody else. And he's just another whiner.

[Chiefs899]

The trashing is his own fault. He's the one that came on here whining about the Hardy pick and saying the Bills made a mistake etc. If he's a scout maybe he should take his "knowledge" somewhere else. Because on this board he is no better than anybody else. And he's just another whiner.

no, he was just doing that to get a laugh out of you guys. He did tell me he was legitimately upset that the bills picked him though. He told me you guys took it way to far and said that he got in trouble with the moderators because of you guys. It was partially his fault though.

[calibillsfan]

Wow, just when i thought the Bills had some brains with an awesome 1st round pick in McKlevin, they bring me back to earth with James its all about me Hardy. There is little upside to him other than his height, but what good is that gonna do when he breaks his knee in the 1st game. So, we choose Hardy, and i could have lived with that IF Sweed, Davis, and Malcolm Kelly who about a month ago a ton of people were taking in the 1st round were not there. I would take any one of them over Hardy. Sweed and Kelly both are WR and fit the height need, but they dont have character issues and arent so tall that they will get hit low and get hurt. Why o why do we even try if we are going to be stupid like this?

Wow you gotta be kidding me reading stuff like this really convinces me that alot of people dont know anything about foot ball think budd eh before you rant and rave and embarrass your self on a message board the only other receiver in the draft that would even be worthy of us drafting would be sweed and he has no fire in him . We have kicked so many field goals in the red zone and ryan lindell has earned his pay check lets give him a break and his break will be James hardy hardy will make a great threat in the zone

[bubbam]

yah, actually, you arent gonna believe this. Not full-time pro scouts do it, but advisors like me absolutely love to come on here and listen to what you guys say and laugh and laugh and laugh. It takes some stress of traveling and work. When we run into each other, it is usually one of the first things we talk about. Its absolutely hilarious watching you guys all argue with me. hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhaha

WOW you are acting like a 5 year old. Im sure advisors really go onto message boards and start whining and acting immature. Well its pretty easy to make up teams u worked for. Lets see I worked for the baltimore clots, bears, lions for brittny spears. Yea I guess it is easy to pretend like u worked for pro sport teams. You really have no clue of what ur talking about hardy is tall will get hes hurt easily. So lets draft Kelly who has had like two knee surgeries. O wait lets draft sweed because he was injured for most of last year with his wrist. Hardy has character issues because of an incdient that happened 2 years ago. Its sounds like the kid has had to fight for everything he wants. Also if kelly and Sweed were so important then why did they not got drafted first o wait that must mean others agreed with the Bills that they werent the best WR.

[billzmark]

Hardy is a red zone threat, and that is exactly what the Bills need...
This guy imo is the best WR besides Thomas, and Thomas was already gone when it came time for the Bills to pick.
Everyone here will love this guy by the end of the season....
I love how everyone on here over-react and act like they know better than all the scouts and staff at OBD.....

[Chiefs899]

WOW you are acting like a 5 year old. Im sure advisors really go onto message boards and start whining and acting immature. Well its pretty easy to make up teams u worked for. Lets see I worked for the baltimore clots, bears, lions for brittny spears. Yea I guess it is easy to pretend like u worked for pro sport teams. You really have no clue of what ur talking about hardy is tall will get hes hurt easily. So lets draft Kelly who has had like two knee surgeries. O wait lets draft sweed because he was injured for most of last year with his wrist. Hardy has character issues because of an incdient that happened 2 years ago. Its sounds like the kid has had to fight for everything he wants. Also if kelly and Sweed were so important then why did they not got drafted first o wait that must mean others agreed with the Bills that they werent the best WR.

see, this is exactly what im talking about. People, you know nothing about him. He wasn't whining, he just stated his opinion, and was actually just getting a laugh out of it. He didnt make anything up, and while i agree with him that with Hardy comes character issues and his height brings vulnerable lower body, he still has potential. Still, respect his opinion and dont be so harsh.

[51TAKEO]

see, this is exactly what im talking about. People, you know nothing about him. He wasn't whining, he just stated his opinion, and was actually just getting a laugh out of it. He didnt make anything up, and while i agree with him that with Hardy comes character issues and his height brings vulnerable lower body, he still has potential. Still, respect his opinion and dont be so harsh.

Can't respect someone's opinion when they respect nobody else's

[Chiefs899]

Can't respect someone's opinion when they respect nobody else's

he respect's your opinions. Maybe if you all wouldnt have trashed him to start, then he you would have realized he respects your opinion.

[billsfan1516]

i know he isnt worth first round money. But he is **** sure worth second round money and based on this year's draft trend, Hardy is only worth third round money. He is the 5th best WR on my board and on a lot of people's boards. Kelly and Sweed were both ranked ahead of him and both were on the board. Hardy isnt worth it.

So you wanted a tall receiver who doesn't really use his height to his advantage?

[Zeus Lizard]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

Thats all you needed to say...You are excited to see a Bill fail, therefore you are not a Bills fan period.

[Chiefs899]

ok i guess every single person on here believed me and cancer because no one asked any ?'s. That was your chance. See ya.

[bubbam]

ok i guess every single person on here believed me and cancer because no one asked any ?'s. That was your chance. See ya.

you know everyone on here is allowed to have say whatever they want too. But most mature people say what they have to say in a nice manner. They even put actual facts to support there reasons. U or cancer whatever ur name is for today. Have said nothing to back up ur talk about hardy. He has charcater issues y because of something that happened 2 years ago. You know when u here about the way he grew up. You would realize yea he made a mistake but hes gotten through so much hard things in his life so its awsome to see he made it to the pros. I know he will have a way better career then most of the WR picked this year especially Kelly.

[B-Diddy]

ok i guess every single person on here believed me and cancer because no one asked any ?'s. That was your chance. See ya.

I believe you...because a professional scouting advisor is definitely going to call a colleague and have him come to his defense on an internet message board! Sounds completely legitimate and nothing like something a couple kids in high school would do. Too much...

Tell cancer to come apologize for lying and being rude to people, take his medicine, and I'm sure everyone will just move on soon enough. Much better method than having one of his buddies create an account (or maybe it's just him creating a second account) and try to further convince people of the unbelievable lie.

[shaunta53]

ok i guess every single person on here believed me and cancer because no one asked any ?'s. That was your chance. See ya.

you have 7 posts to your name, and you all of a sudden appear when this guy is getting killed on here. I dont believe anything you 2 are spewing.

[TBBills Fan]

Dont think im trashing the Bills organization completely or james hardy, cause im not. It takes a great athlete to be drafted into the NFL. However, i just believe that he wasn't the best guy available. Nor was he second best either, he was third best.


huh..

we dont think that...we simply saw what you wrote on page one...you said enough for yourself.

[Tates]

I am as good looking as Brad Pitt, play the guitar like John Mayer, I am taller than James Hardy faster than Desean Foster, my vertical is 54 inches(which is only 10 inches longer than my middle leg) and I have been giving Bill Polian draft advice since he started working in this league.

Do you want to ask me any questions?

Hardy is a great pick - I had him in my mock until he moved up so far that I thought we would never see him at 41. Perfect fit for the team and Johnson was a steal where we got him - one of the two and perhaps both will be starters for a long time. Good job OBD - I expect my check by Friday;)

[BillsForevers]

OK cancer I did the research and here our the numbers...


6-4 and taller WR that are still in the league stats in there rookie season!

I make no other statements yet but here are the stats!

Hank Baskett 6-4 220 22rec 464yds 2tds Un-drafted
Drew Bennett 6-5 206 24rec 329yds 1tds Un-drafted
Plaxico Burress 6-5 232 22rec 273yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2000 / Round: 1 / Pick: 8
Michael Clayton 6-4 215 80rec 1193yds 7tds NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 15
Marques Colston 6-4 231 70rec 1038yds 8tds NFL Draft: 2006 / Round: 7 / Pick: 252
Brian Finneran 6-5 217 2rec 21yds 0tds NFL Europa Un-drafted
Malcolm Floyd 6-5 225 3rec 49yds 1tds could not find info on how this guy got to the NFL
Justin Gage 6-4 212 17rec 338yds 2tds NFL Draft: 2003 / Round: 5 / Pick: 143
Michael Gasperson 6-4 220 0rec 0yds 0tds Un-drafted
Vincent Jackson 6-5 241 3rec 59yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 2 / Pick: 61
Dwayne Jarrett 6-4 219 6recs 73yds 1tds NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 2 / Pick: 45
Michael Jenkins 6-4 217 7rec 119yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 29
Calvin Johnson 6-5 235 48rec 756yds 4tds NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 1 / Pick: 2
Matt Jones 6-6 238 36rec 432yds 5tds NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 1 / Pick: 21
Joe Jurevicius 6-5 232 9rec 146yds 0tds NFL Draft: 1998 / Round: 2 / Pick: 55
Brandon Marshall 6-4 230 20rec 309yds 2tds NFL Draft: 2006 / Round: 4 / Pick: 119
Ruvell Martin 6-4 215 21rec 258yds 1tds Un-drafted
Marcus Maxwell 6-4 205 0rec 0yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 7 / Pick: 223
Billy McMullen 6-4 215 2rec 2yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2003 / Round: 3 / Pick: 95
Anthony Mix 6-5 235 3rec 39yds 0tds Un-drafted
Randy Moss 6-4 210 69rec 1313yds 17tds NFL Draft: 1998 / Round: 1 / Pick: 21
Kassim Osgood 6-5 220 13rec 278yds 2tds Un-drafted
Sidney Rice 6-4 203 35rec 231yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 2 / Pick: 44
Maurice Stovall 6-5 220 7rec 102yds 0tds NFL Draft: 2006 / Round: 3 / Pick: 90
Ernest Wilford 6-4218 19rec 271yds 2tds NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 4 / Pick: 120
Mike Williams 6-5 242 29rec 350yds 1tds NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 1 / Pick: 10
Reggie Williams 6-4 213 27rec 268yds 1tds NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 9

[yorkie_14855]

Ok just remember that when three years from now Hardy is an all-pro WR and we are huge contenders for the SB.

[pozfan]

Re: post #101 Good one Tates
Its kind of like how I wanted to reply but I'm not that funny.

To Cancer42292
I started reading this thread hoping to get some ideal perspective on what the other members felt about James Hardy vs. Kelly/Sweed. Unfortunately after reading a number of posts, I realized that I was being jerked around by a teenager ironically from my hometown who was looking for attention. I understand you love the Bills, as we all do, but the scout drama became too much.

Like you, I too was a former wide receiver from EdenHS. While I have no delusions of being a scout, I did play college ball for 4 years with a current Bills scout. i can tellyou this, There is no way he would ever be caught dead arguing player opinions on web site. I have been on these boards reading about the 08 draft for over a month, up to 5 hours per day, inancticipation of the draft and everything I'e read has added to my enjoyment of this past weekend. Until today....Unlike you, I have been comming to this site for over a year and I probably have posted less than 1/2 dozens posts and certainly not pretending to be a scout. I am writing this because undoubtedly you are still reading this thread checking out the attention that your thread has created, if that was your goal..so be it,...but not everyone enjoyed it.

P.S. if you don't like the lecture consider it as full payment for the 30+ minutes of time that I'll never get back from reading about your fantasy and for ruining the reputation of WR's from Eden, NY.

[CUHATIN23]

Yeah Hardy! He will be the Dwayne Bowe of this class in 08!

[hutcht02]

You can debate for days about which WR was the best in the draft but they all have holes and there is no right answer. So what do you do? You take the guy with the best attitude, upside, and god given talent, and Hardy is that guy in this draft without question. 'Nuf said.

[CUHATIN23]

Wait until the end of the 08 season and if Hardy has better numbers then who ever u thought we should take U have to get a new team! Whoever made this thread?

[JPsTheNewFrankReich]

man, i cant wait till he turns into a bust like many of the other previous bills. Then, you all jump on the public opinion banwagon and say "yah, i havent liked him all along. I knew he was gonna suck from the start." I can see it now.

There's only one word to describe fledglings like you, and thats....gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaay

youre truly outta your crust, my man, youre on a sad little island by yourself

i say you need to relax, it's summertime, go eat a snow cone & try & get a date or something, might brighten your outlook on life