Derek Fine

[cherubiceric]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/te.html

According to the above link, we got the 19th best tight end with this pick. This guy probably would not have been drafted. This draft has turned into a D. Get real. Whoever is making these decsions should be fired, whether it's Jauron, Modrack, or Brandon. We've had a worse draft than Philidelphia. This is very troublesome.

[mhurricane1]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/te.html

According to the above link, we got the 19th best tight end with this pick. This guy probably would not have been drafted. This draft has turned into a D. Get real. Whoever is making these decsions should be fired, whether it's Jauron, Modrack, or Brandon. We've had a worse draft than Philidelphia. This is very troublesome.

Maybe they are happy with Royal, Teyo, and Cortney Anderson.......

[aaromed]

Why him over Davis ????????????????

[mini16]

Why him over Davis ????????????????

Davis did have character issues...

[Pro Bowl?]

In case you are a new bills fan, they love drafting untalented TE's!

[cherubiceric]

Him over Davis because Davis has low character. But there were many better TE's available, and its not like we couldn't have drafted some other position instead. We could have gotten a great center or some depth at QB from a guy like Josh Johnson QB Univ of San Diego.

[TNBillsFan]

Kellen Davis should've been the pick.

[BronxBomber21]

What a waste of the 4th round.

[swanson.155]

First of all, I hate bashing anything Buffalo but this was a joke of a pick. This kid had four touchdowns last year! I thought because Kansas was so good last year he would be a reason for it - nope! 42 catches at 4 touchdowns. This second day is turning out terrible (although I'm starting to like Reggie Corner more). This Derek Fine kid will be another Schouman and not do anything. What a waste of a pick.

[directFX]

This is why we drafted him...

Strengths:
Reliable hands...Versatile and he can line up all over the field...Nice ball skills and body control...Smart with great awareness...Knows how to get open...Tough and durable..Great motor...Hard worker..Lots of experience...Team leader and captain.

Weaknesses:
Average size and bulk...Marginal athleticism...Doesn't have great timed speed...Is not very quick and lacks a burst...Needs to get stronger...Sub par blocker...Won't do much after the catch...Can improve as a route runner...Not a fit for every team.

Notes:
He grayshirted in 2002 due to an injury and then redshirted in 2003..A three-year starter...Might be more of an H-Back...Also a terrific special teamer...Is not a great in-line blocker but could battle for a roster spot as a pass catching specialist...Has to find the right situation but his top-notch intangibles give him a fighting chance.


Hback ability
Great hands
TEAM LEADER
Great intangibles



Sounds like a BILLS TE to me.......(not that I wouldnt rather have Jeremy Shockey)

[CPTBobby2]

I will wait until I hear from Jayhawk I am sure he knows a ton about him

[vanloaner]

this just goes to show you why the Bills always have the best special teams year after year..

although we couldve used a more polished recieving TE or another backup Olinemen or Schmitt/Hillis...

this guy was drafted for special teams and special teams only... which i dont mind

[BillsVa]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/te.html

According to the above link, we got the 19th best tight end with this pick. This guy probably would not have been drafted. This draft has turned into a D. Get real. Whoever is making these decsions should be fired, whether it's Jauron, Modrack, or Brandon. We've had a worse draft than Philidelphia. This is very troublesome.

This is a clown car post.

Three great picks and then we take an atheletic CB who will be able to play special teams and a player with our last pick of the 4th round who the coaches like and you're proclaiming the draft is a D?

Laughable. Straight laughable.

[cherubiceric]

Kellen Davis should've been the pick.

That's an excellent observation. Didn't even think about him. Kellen Davis **** sure should have been this pick. We might as well give our next pick to the Patriots, in exchange for Jason Webster. Cuz you know we're short on cornerbacks.

[choccity2005]

Jesus......the 19th ranked TE,this guy is slower than baby crap,...he's 6'2 250and he runs a 4.83....that's wicked slow.

hardy is 6'6 220 and runs a 4.45....do you know how slow this guy fine is!!

Horrible pick

[choccity2005]

In case you are a new bills fan, they love drafting untalented TE's!



Why do they like untalented TEs....this guy is wicked slow,his scout report says when he catches the ball it's over,expect him to do nothing after the catch.

Why did we not trade j.p for a 4th round pick from minnesota and drafted john david booty..

[Griff]

You newbies are kinda annoying.

[cherubiceric]

This is a clown car post.

Three great picks and then we take an atheletic CB who will be able to play special teams and a player with our last pick of the 4th round who the coaches like and you're proclaiming the draft is a D?

Laughable. Straight laughable.

If I'm so wrong, it shouldn't be hard for you to give A REASON OR TWO why you're right!

[mhurricane1]

You newbies are kinda annoying.

I agree Griff........

[BillsVa]

If I'm so wrong, it shouldn't be hard for you to give A REASON OR TWO why you're right!

I thought I made it clear why I'm right.

Three great first picks. Corner is an atheletic CB and will be a stellar special teamer as well as good CB depth which we didn't have last year, and even if you don't like the TE pick... considering the other four and the last two years drafts I'm willing to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt on this pick.

But your assessment that the draft is a D based on this pick is a joke.

Also, I shouldn't have to repeat the same points I just made earlier in the thread. Read for content.

[choccity2005]

with
jason witten
cris cooley
tony gonzalez
miller in pitt
l.j smith
jeremy shcokey
algee crumpler
ben watson
mcmichael
s.d TE
Denver TE
S>f TE
Tampa TE
chicgo TE
ben utect
etc...etc..i'd say the only team to have PIECE OF shcmidt TEs are the BUFFALO BILLS and after today that will not change.

When we play the jets and you see what dustin keller does to our LBs,he runs a 4.55 for goodness sake,you'll see how valuable TE are in this league.

[Shaw66]

You guys have to wait and se. Maybe this guy is the fullback.

Here's what NFL.com says (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/derek-fine?id=1068). Note the bold part:

Hybrid fullback/tight ends/H-backs are underappreciated players in today's NFL offenses. A guy who can pick up blitzes, chip on defensive ends, cancel linebackers at the second level and move the chains (46 receptions, 394 yards, four touchdowns in '07) in the passing game is very valuable. Fine has the ability to be just that type of player, and will likely be selected earlier than most expect. He should also be a contributor on special teams coverage units as he did at Kansas.

[cherubiceric]

I thought I made it clear why I'm right.

Three great first picks. Corner is an atheletic CB and will be a stellar special teamer as well as good CB depth which we didn't have last year, and even if you don't like the TE pick... considering the other four and the last two years drafts I'm willing to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt on this pick.

But your assessment that the draft is a D based on this pick is a joke.

Also, I shouldn't have to repeat the same points I just made earlier in the thread. Read for content.

THEN HERE'S WHY I'M RIGHT: Corner is an athletic CB. Too bad we have SIX capable CBs right now. Benefit of the doubt of the Tight End Pick? This guy could have been drafted in the seventh round... or as an undrafted free agent. Day two has been horrible. This draft is a D right now. I didn't base my assesment of D on this pick. We started B+ with Leodis, and stayed at B+ by getting a big, decent receiver in the second round. After that, we've had three bad picks in a row. That was not the time to take a DE either (with the third) We still need a center, a real tight end, and depth at QB. A power running back or an elite fullback would be nice too. But, by God, we got the best defense in the league now. What a joke. Get real.

[BillsVa]

Our first three picks were high impact players that will contribute right away in our biggest need positions, CB, WR, and DE depth.

McKelvin and Hardy will start right away.

Ellis will see heavy rotation on passing downs.

Corner will be a special teams staple who might see time as a nickel back and might eventually see significant playing time.

Even if this TE is a complete and total bust (which I doubt he will be) our draft has still been great.

Let's not forget that we lost Aiken, Wire, etc this offseason and need some young special teamers to come in and keep our unit in the top 5 of the league. These last two picks are targeting that.

[robreg2]

I agree Griff........

I'm with ya'll on this one.

[bills101]

You newbies are kinda annoying.

im a newbie and ive have to agree there's alot of dumb football fans on this board:drama:

[BillsVa]

This draft is a D right now. I didn't base my assesment of D on this pick. We started B+ with Leodis, and stayed at B+ by getting a big, decent receiver in the second round. After that, we've had three bad picks in a row. That was not the time to take a DE either (with the third) We still need a center, a real tight end, and depth at QB. A power running back or an elite fullback would be nice too. But, by God, we got the best defense in the league now. What a joke. Get real.

Okay. The clownery continues. It's incredibly unlikely that this TE is being brought in to be a starting TE for this team. ST coverage, solid blocking, etc.

There isn't a TE left in this draft that would come in and be better than Robert Royal right now. Royal isn't ideal... but he's better than any of the talent in the draft currently

But regardless, let me spell out all the clown points you just made.

Giving only a B+ for McKelvin and Hardy? What else would you have wanted? What would you have done differently? This is the Maddenesque attitude of people thinking they're GMs. So lame and tired. You're wrong on the DE pick too. Ellis is supposed to be a very solid pass rusher. Hargrove is gone, Denney is hurt often... we NEED another DE and Ellis is a very good fit there.

You identified back up QB as a need? Seriously? We have two QBs on the roster that have started. In case you haven't noticed Losman is still on the roster. Until we trade him we do not need a backup QB... and even if we do we should be looking at a veteran who could be effective right away should Edwards get hurt... not another rookie.

Power RB? Really? Lynch seems pretty powerful to me and we also have Jackson to spell him who did very well last year and Wright who we took in the 4th.

So your only valid point is C... but C hasn't been in high demand and we still have 6 picks left.

Man. Errant on so many levels.

[cherubiceric]

I'll see you in the next thread. Get your facts straight.

[LTarmy]

Our first three picks were high impact players that will contribute right away in our biggest need positions, CB, WR, and DE depth.

McKelvin and Hardy will start right away.

Ellis will see heavy rotation on passing downs.

Corner will be a special teams staple who might see time as a nickel back and might eventually see significant playing time.

Even if this TE is a complete and total bust (which I doubt he will be) our draft has still been great.

Let's not forget that we lost Aiken, Wire, etc this offseason and need some young special teamers to come in and keep our unit in the top 5 of the league. These last two picks are targeting that.


The Bills current staff has struggled to identified real offensive talent. The Bills have put too much emphasis into special teams and ignore the fact that players like Wire (overrated) and Akien offerend nothing on defense or offense. They overvalue the importance of special teams.

The Bills special teams have been decent for years and the team as a whole has been nothing short of a joke.

People that believe that the Bills are going to be playoff contenders are kidding themselves. The offense will be horrible once again.

Maybe next year.

[BillsVa]

The Bills current staff has struggled to identified real offensive talent. The Bills have put too much emphasis into special teams and ignore the fact that players like Wire (overrated) and Akien offerend nothing on defense or offense. They overvalue the importance of special teams.

The Bills special teams have been decent for years and the team as a whole has been nothing short of a joke.

People that believe that the Bills are going to be playoff contenders are kidding themselves. The offense will be horrible once again.

Maybe next year.

The special teams have been more than decent. The special teams have been in the top 5 (normally #1 or #2) for the past few years.

On offense we now have a solid O-Line (I'd like to upgrade C too), Lynch, Evans, Edwards, Hardy, Parrish and Reed out of the slot.

If that group doesn't do well then it's got to be on Edwards shoulders at this point. That's one of the better WRs in the league, a 6'6" speed and redzone target, an above average #3 in Reed, a potential playmaker whenever he gets the ball in Parrish, and a very good RB... and the pass protection and run blocking is there.

The idea that there was a TE there with that pick in the draft that would have made a huge difference is just ridiculous. Now we're replenishing our ST losses and increasing the youth and depth of our D.

[indybillsfan]

The Bills current staff has struggled to identified real offensive talent. The Bills have put too much emphasis into special teams and ignore the fact that players like Wire (overrated) and Akien offerend nothing on defense or offense. They overvalue the importance of special teams.

The Bills special teams have been decent for years and the team as a whole has been nothing short of a joke.

People that believe that the Bills are going to be playoff contenders are kidding themselves. The offense will be horrible once again.

Maybe next year.

Points of contention:

1. You'll have a QB with a year's experience under his belt and a coordinator that will let him call audibles, and a RB that has gone thorugh the learning curve of his rookie year
2. You'll have a big WR that can make plays in the red zone based on his college career
3. You'll have a line that continues to jell (but here I agree we need a lot more depth)
4. You'll have 6 TE's in camp for competition.
5. Most important - you'll have a defense that can get opposing offenses off the field quicker, and will give the offense more possessions as well as better field position.

[FergsKU]

I'll chime in here. (A KU grad from Rochester.) Obviously I'm biased but I like the pick. It may have been a little early but solid nonetheless. Derek has been a huge part of the KU turn around. The leadership skills are solid and he's definitely a gamer. The numbers may not be spectacular but many of those catches were made in big spots. Also remember, KU had a solid running game. Derek is a big reason for this. Also Mangino was great at recruiting players rather than names. I trust his talent evaluation and believe the Bills will ultimately be happy with the pick.

Before anyone starts criticizing the guy, please watch him play. If the so called "experts" are so great at evaluating talent, why do they work for ESPN?


I will wait until I hear from Jayhawk I am sure he knows a ton about him

[letsgobills]

im very disappointed about this pick. i guess all we can do is keep our heads up and hope for the brady of the sixth round. haha

[buffalobob]

Both fourth round picks were used for players projected to be undrafted free agents and our fifth was used on a player projected to go in the seventh. Regarding this guy, he is listed as 6' 2 5/8 ", is he intended to be converted into a FB or will they keep him as a tiny TE?

[dave14103]

Do they see Fine as a prototypical tight end or is he goign to be an H-back, which would dissapoint me. If they use him as an H-back, it would seem that they are going to not use a classic fullback, which I was hoping for.

[Battle941]

THEN HERE'S WHY I'M RIGHT: Corner is an athletic CB. Too bad we have SIX capable CBs right now. Benefit of the doubt of the Tight End Pick? This guy could have been drafted in the seventh round... or as an undrafted free agent. Day two has been horrible. This draft is a D right now. I didn't base my assesment of D on this pick. We started B+ with Leodis, and stayed at B+ by getting a big, decent receiver in the second round. After that, we've had three bad picks in a row. That was not the time to take a DE either (with the third) We still need a center, a real tight end, and depth at QB. A power running back or an elite fullback would be nice too. But, by God, we got the best defense in the league now. What a joke. Get real.

Didn't seem to me that we had extremely capable CBs last season. It was the time to take a DE with the 3rd to rotate in and help create pressure. I agree I'd like us to upgrade C but you can only do so much in one draft (btw we have a few more picks)

QB depth? TE, Losman, Hamden is fine. And did you really say we should have drafted a power running back?! Are you sure you're not Tom Donahoe?!

Ok, so QB, RB, C are more pressing needs than DE, CB and TE?

What a joke is right.

[Dtrain22]

with
jason witten
cris cooley
tony gonzalez
miller in pitt
l.j smith
jeremy shcokey
algee crumpler
ben watson
mcmichael
s.d TE
Denver TE
S>f TE
Tampa TE
chicgo TE
ben utect
etc...etc..i'd say the only team to have PIECE OF shcmidt TEs are the BUFFALO BILLS and after today that will not change.

When we play the jets and you see what dustin keller does to our LBs,he runs a 4.55 for goodness sake,you'll see how valuable TE are in this league.

enough already dude....shut up

[crimsonsamurai]

I still dont see what the big deal is on the negative nancies crying about the Bills picks, they are picking for the ideal fits in their team.. not always the sexiest position at each spot.

1) hes a team leader
2) great hands
3) excellent special teams skills
4) good upside as second TE in the I with some training
5) capable blocking fullback/tight end with some weight training
6) excellent intangibles and proven character

I would've liked to see them use an earlier pick for a good tight end to be able to use right away.. but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with this pick, if at all for the most important reason.. not to let something like the Dallas Cowboy onside kick fiasco that happened last season and they let them get away with a game the Bills thoroughly earned. Can't any of you see that at the very least? He's not expected to come in and start at tight end in such a higher round pick, but just for the fact that we have some added strength to the hands team in special teams is more then justifiable in my opinion... but yes I can agree he could've been taken later on, but I will not drag my opinions on the Bills draft until we see how the end of next season develops for us. For one I think Jauron is doing a much better job at being a head coach and getting that added overall talent and skills at positions that fit well within the system rather then mularkey and phillips trying to use guys that have better stats and combine numbers into a system that doesnt really utiize that talent. If you look at your biggest rival, in the patriots.. hardly any of them were to be projected as the best in their field.. but they gel as a team, add their skills to the betterment of the team as a whole, and learned how to work with each other diminishing any weaknesses they may have.

So far with the draft I would give them a B, the first three rounds are what matters, now.. whereas the rest of the draft you can't really measure until a season or two has passed already. I personally think that the close games from last year will not be so close anymore, but the Bills will still have some troubles with the upper echelon of teams, but only Time and Free Agency can really relieve that transition from contender to perennial playoff team. But I personally liked the passionately scrappy team from last year more so then any Bills team put together in the years previous this decade, it made me proud to be a Bills fan even though I still had to deal with the obnoxious Cowboys fans and their unrelenting ego.

[billsfanpozlynch]

Any one have any Derek Fine highlights on youtube or something?

[BillsVa]

Didn't seem to me that we had extremely capable CBs last season. It was the time to take a DE with the 3rd to rotate in and help create pressure. I agree I'd like us to upgrade C but you can only do so much in one draft (btw we have a few more picks)

QB depth? TE, Losman, Hamden is fine. And did you really say we should have drafted a power running back?! Are you sure you're not Tom Donahoe?!

Ok, so QB, RB, C are more pressing needs than DE, CB and TE?

What a joke is right.

Agreed. Cherub your argument has been dismantled this thread.

[5ths the charm]

Davis did have character issues...

So did half of our 1st four picks, apparently someone sneaked in the night and scrambled up our board. It has to be Belicheat, someone check the video!!! Where's Walsh when you need him.

[malaysianbuffalo]

This is a clown car post.

Three great picks and then we take an atheletic CB who will be able to play special teams and a player with our last pick of the 4th round who the coaches like and you're proclaiming the draft is a D?

Laughable. Straight laughable.

Agreed. If we could've got Carlson or Keller that would have been magnificent
but they were long gone, but I wish he wasn't a sub-par blocker. If he can improve on that that's ok. All this A B C D ratings for the draft is school time analysis.

[malaysianbuffalo]

What a waste of the 4th round.

I know, and to think the first three rounds were great picks. Dam* you 4 th round!!

[RiskyBizz19]

Horrible Pick, what the hell is the front office doing. Stop suring up special teams, and get some Offensive and Defensive WEAPONS YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!

[psubills62]

This is why we drafted him...

Strengths:
Reliable hands...Versatile and he can line up all over the field...Nice ball skills and body control...Smart with great awareness...Knows how to get open...Tough and durable..Great motor...Hard worker..Lots of experience...Team leader and captain.

Weaknesses:
Average size and bulk...Marginal athleticism...Doesn't have great timed speed...Is not very quick and lacks a burst...Needs to get stronger...Sub par blocker...Won't do much after the catch...Can improve as a route runner...Not a fit for every team.

Notes:
He grayshirted in 2002 due to an injury and then redshirted in 2003..A three-year starter...Might be more of an H-Back...Also a terrific special teamer...Is not a great in-line blocker but could battle for a roster spot as a pass catching specialist...Has to find the right situation but his top-notch intangibles give him a fighting chance.


Hback ability
Great hands
TEAM LEADER
Great intangibles



Sounds like a BILLS TE to me.......(not that I wouldnt rather have Jeremy Shockey)

Sounds a lot like Kevin Boss, the rookie TE for the Super-Bowl winning team this past year. He was obtained in the 5th round.

[BillsVa]

Sounds a lot like Kevin Boss, the rookie TE for the Super-Bowl winning team this past year. He was obtained in the 5th round.

Exactly! I bet last year Giants fans were saying, "Kevin Boss? We have Shockey already, give Eli some other WEAPONS YOU IDIOTS!!!"

Sigh.

The NFL Draft is one of the more fun times of the year... the worst time to be on this board.

[bail]

im a newbie and ive have to agree there's alot of dumb football fans on this board:drama:


I'm not backing the newbies to much, but don't forget we havn't made the playoffs since 99'.

They do have a point that our drafts choices have been crap over the last few years but let's hope at some point there is a turning point.
But without change at the scout and gm level we seem to be doing the samething continually. I did love last years draft though, was Marv at the draft this year.

[lynchdagreat]

This is a clown car post.

Three great picks and then we take an atheletic CB who will be able to play special teams and a player with our last pick of the 4th round who the coaches like and you're proclaiming the draft is a D?

Laughable. Straight laughable.

nicely said :)

[BillsVa]

I'm not backing the newbies to much, but don't forget we havn't made the playoffs since 99'.

They do have a point that our drafts choices have been crap over the last few years but let's hope at some point there is a turning point.
But without change at the scout and gm level we seem to be doing the samething continually. I did love last years draft though, was Marv at the draft this year.

We haven't made the playoffs since '99 because of Donahoe.

Your thinking is backward. Our drafts have been crap the years before the Levy Regime (this is still his staff). Our drafts since Levy took over (past two) have filled our team with young productive talent. It takes a while to see the results from fixing the Donahoe train wreck.

[bufbills79]

umm...Kellen Davis averaged 2 catches a game

if u all are fine with a great athlete, but horrible football player


thats cool

[bunnerjk]

I can't believe this pick.

[LTarmy]

The special teams have been more than decent. The special teams have been in the top 5 (normally #1 or #2) for the past few years.

On offense we now have a solid O-Line (I'd like to upgrade C too), Lynch, Evans, Edwards, Hardy, Parrish and Reed out of the slot.

If that group doesn't do well then it's got to be on Edwards shoulders at this point. That's one of the better WRs in the league, a 6'6" speed and redzone target, an above average #3 in Reed, a potential playmaker whenever he gets the ball in Parrish, and a very good RB... and the pass protection and run blocking is there.

The idea that there was a TE there with that pick in the draft that would have made a huge difference is just ridiculous. Now we're replenishing our ST losses and increasing the youth and depth of our D.

All those player you named on offense struggled to score points last year. I like Hardy, but to believe that he'll come into Buffalo and be a game change from day one is silly.

Reed isn't above average at anything he does.

the O-Line struggled in short yardage situations last year.

parrish runs horrible routes and is strictley a gadget player

Evans is the only deep threat on the team, but he can't beat double and triple coverages.

Turk is a first year OC and Jauron isn't known for his offensive cordinators hires.

They are banking on a group of underachieving nobodies at tightend to be a red zone threat.

I believe that the defense is going to be better, but the offense is a joke. Edwards has once again only two PROVEN weapons to work with and a WR who might have potential.

Edwards might be a good Qb, but he needs some real talent and I feel that the Bills once again failed to deliever on that.

The proof is in the pudding. 8 years and counting.

[LTarmy]

We haven't made the playoffs since '99 because of Donahoe.

Your thinking is backward. Our drafts have been crap the years before the Levy Regime (this is still his staff). Our drafts since Levy took over (past two) have filled our team with young productive talent. It takes a while to see the results from fixing the Donahoe train wreck.

Jauron and company haven't helped themseleves too much either.

They drafted too light on defense and brough in a horrible offensive system that is NOW just being addressed.

After a while you need to stop blaming Donahue and realize that this coaching/FO staff is a joke.

Donahue made some mistakes, but I haven't really seen to much progress, especially in today's NFL when a team can make a turm around rather quick, EXCEPT BUFFALO.

[GoldBillsFan1212]

Sounds a lot like Kevin Boss, the rookie TE for the Super-Bowl winning team this past year. He was obtained in the 5th round.

Kevin Boss: ran a 4.78 40 6-6ft tall and was projected 5th round and actually went there.

Derek Fine: ran a 4.89 40 6-3ft tall and was projected to go undrafted.

[DaMan20]

Sounds a lot like Kevin Boss, the rookie TE for the Super-Bowl winning team this past year. He was obtained in the 5th round.

YUP!

...i dont get ppl...
HOW can you say a pick is horrible this early?

The BILLS needed a TE, and they got a TE...we arent gonna kno how good this guy is till we see him on the field!

btw... it was a LATE 4th round pick... the Bills drafted a guy they liked, lets at least wait til the season starts before we jump to any conclusions

[espfootball92]

Sorry if this comparison has already been made, but I think we just got our version Dallas Clark. Not the biggest guy in the world but solid in the 6-2/6-3 range, and while blocking certainly isn't a liability, his real value is in the passing game. It sounds like Fine can stretch the field and according the Coiner and the scouts is a great YAC guy. Also, he lines up all over the field, including in the slot and split out wide. Thats what reminds me of Clark

I know a lot of people do not like this pick but I think it was a "fine" choice

[BillsVa]

All those player you named on offense struggled to score points last year. I like Hardy, but to believe that he'll come into Buffalo and be a game change from day one is silly.

Reed isn't above average at anything he does.

the O-Line struggled in short yardage situations last year.

parrish runs horrible routes and is strictley a gadget player

Evans is the only deep threat on the team, but he can't beat double and triple coverages.

Turk is a first year OC and Jauron isn't known for his offensive cordinators hires.

They are banking on a group of underachieving nobodies at tightend to be a red zone threat.

I believe that the defense is going to be better, but the offense is a joke. Edwards has once again only two PROVEN weapons to work with and a WR who might have potential.

Edwards might be a good Qb, but he needs some real talent and I feel that the Bills once again failed to deliever on that.

The proof is in the pudding. 8 years and counting.

Those same players struggled to score with Fairchild calling the plays horrendously, a QB carousel, no legit #2 WR option, the O-Line in its first year playing together, Lynch sitting out a few games, etc, etc.

It seems likely that all the current players will do better this year since they're all returning... but the addition is the fact that instead of having Reed and Parrish (who I agree is more of a utility gadget type player) matched up with the opponent's #2 CB, they'll be covered by slot guys. Reed is a solid slot WR and Hardy is unproven but really can only help.

Meanwhile, our defense is looking ridiculously young and strong.

You can't get everything in one free agency period and other than pulling off a blockbuster trade for a WR on another team which it's unclear we could have even done... I like having Hardy better than the other WR options.

[GottaBillieve]

The problem is all the mock drafts and rankings this year were way off... Many players went way before, and later than the "analysts" predicted... This guy could very well be worth a 4th...

I saw a lot of names go in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th that weren't on any mocks...

[LTarmy]

Those same players struggled to score with Fairchild calling the plays horrendously, a QB carousel, no legit #2 WR option, the O-Line in its first year playing together, Lynch sitting out a few games, etc, etc.

It seems likely that all the current players will do better this year since they're all returning... but the addition is the fact that instead of having Reed and Parrish (who I agree is more of a utility gadget type player) matched up with the opponent's #2 CB, they'll be covered by slot guys. Reed is a solid slot WR and Hardy is unproven but really can only help.

Meanwhile, our defense is looking ridiculously young and strong.

You can't get everything in one free agency period and other than pulling off a blockbuster trade for a WR on another team which it's unclear we could have even done... I like having Hardy better than the other WR options.

I think you're going to be dissapointed with Turk as a playcaller. He will encounter the same problem that Fairchild had, the players on offense are horrible.

The Bills return those same player last year and how did that work? Fairchild wasn't good, but neither were the players. The tightends are still garbage and the hopes of the passing game a pinned on Hardy drawing some kind of coverage away from Evan (We know that Reed can't).

I want the Bills to do good, but the defense will not be able to carry this horrible offense. Hopefully the two WR's drafted can offer something, if not, Reed and Parrish will hold back the development of this offense and Edwards will fail.

[Armest07]

I'm still upset that we didn't get Bennett. lol

[mouldsmachine1]

I'd rather give birth than have this guy on the roster and not Kellen Davis.

[bak502021]

I'd rather give birth than have this guy on the roster and not Kellen Davis.

LOL, well that'll be painful, especially considering that based on our needs Fine is the better pick.

[malaysianbuffalo]

I'd rather give birth than have this guy on the roster and not Kellen Davis.

What you're saying is you would rather go to prison.
Giving birth comes after.
I admire your willingness to take one for the team.

[Happy Lee]

YUP!

...i dont get ppl...
HOW can you say a pick is horrible this early?

The BILLS needed a TE, and they got a TE...we arent gonna kno how good this guy is till we see him on the field!

btw... it was a LATE 4th round pick... the Bills drafted a guy they liked, lets at least wait til the season starts before we jump to any conclusions

WAIT? You want me to WAIT???

Well, that's easy to say, your diaper is obviously not full!!!

[bunnerjk]

We should have traded up for Bennett.

[c-man450r]

he is a good blocker catches very well and has a good burst but not top end speed could end up a very solid pick

[Billsboy]

I think what some of you aren't seeing is that he's going to be a good TE for us. Yeah sure he he's work but I could see him being Edwards favorite target by the end of the year. Oh and did I forget to mention he's going to be very valuable on ST.

[Poncho]

We don't have enough good football people in the front office to make good choices in the later rounds like we use to.So this is what you get.220# LB & 6'2 TE???I did like our picks 1-3,but was really disapointed after that!

[JayHawk]

We don't have enough good football people in the front office to make good choices in the later rounds like we use to.So this is what you get.220# LB & 6'2 TE???I did like our picks 1-3,but was really disapointed after that!

How much do you really know about the guy other than his height and weight?

[marshawnisabeast]

Even if Fine turns out great(could happen) the point is we could have got him for less undrafted, i like him, but is a waste, they should have took a guy that is good, and 4 round worthy same with Omon i think he could have benn undrafted
I think this could be a great player, but Bennet will be better, im excited with this pick, but its a major reach

[JayHawk]

Even if Fine turns out great(could happen) the point is we could have got him for less undrafted, i like him, but is a waste, they should have took a guy that is good, and 4 round worthy same with Omon i think he could have benn undrafted
I think this could be a great player, but Bennet will be better, im excited with this pick, but its a major reach

Ahh yes, because you have special insight that says he would have been available? You know that no other team would have taken him, leaving us with who for a tight end?

[EdwardsFan]

i think we'll find out what the deal is in training camp. i don't care who it is, we just need to find a blocker, a receiver, and a guy that can do a little of both. IMO we should have cut royal, kept gaines and schouman and then drafted somebody like cottam or finley.

[lonebuffaloinpatsland]

Kellen Davis should've been the pick.

davis wasent there when we wanted him he went to washington

[Poncho]

Not that much.But you sound like an expert,so this guy should be the next Antonio Gates!6'2 TE's & 220 LB's just wont cut it in the NFL.

[JayHawk]

Not that much.But you sound like an expert,so this guy should be the next Antonio Gates!6'2 TE's & 220 LB's just wont cut it in the NFL.


You're right. Size is the only thing that matters. Smarts, technique, speed, and strength be ****ed!

[Keating5]

Keep an eye on Gary Barnidge... we passed on him for fine and he went to Carolina.

I'm not saying anything... I'm just saying, keep an eye on Gary Barnidge.

Hope he doesn't become the Kolby Smith to our Dwayne Wright, if you catch my drift....

[bunnerjk]

I didn't really agree with this choice in the 4th!!!!

[JayHawk]

I didn't really agree with this choice in the 4th!!!!


And the front office didn't call YOU to check before making this pick? How dare they......

[bunnerjk]

And the front office didn't call YOU to check before making this pick? How dare they......
They must have lost my number, hopefully he has at least 87 yards and 2 TD's this season.

[JayHawk]

They must have lost my number, hopefully he has at least 87 yards and 2 TD's this season.

That's so weird, I was sure you were on the contact list....

[bunnerjk]

That's so weird, I was sure you were on the contact list....
I DO have Tim Massaqui's number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!