Brett Favre Nailed it

[EndZoneLouie]

Doesnt matter what the defense did, that wasnt the argument. The argument was that when fitz had a shot to win it, he couldnt. Our 14th ranked o-line did a fine job. But bone heads, blame Trent when we have the 29th ranked o-line, but blame the o-line when we have the 14th ranked....logical.

She said yours was longer, but mine was fatter....whatever !

[f150xlt]

I heard a sound bite of Brett Favre last night on ESPN,
"The career of a QB isn't determined by stats, its determined by what he can do in the clutch"

This defines our QB situation perfectly. Fitz was given the ball with a chance to win 6 times last season, last possession or two, clutch time. ALL 6 resulted in TURNOVERS, 5 picks and a fumble....thats all I need to know.

If you can't trust your QB to give you a shot at in the final minutes when its all on the line, to carry the team, to play mistake free at a high level for that one possession, then you don't have a franchise QB, you have a QB problem.

thats exactly what the Bills have, they have a guy that can't control his arm, they have a guy that was able to pad his stats(nearly double them) in junk time.
Watch the games people. Fitz was unable to have 1st half production nearly all season...putting it all on a weak defense. He cost the win in balitmore, and pittsburgh, and many others. Being unable to get 1st downs or points in an entire half, takes the running game out of it in the 2nd half, pads his own stats, and cost wins.....add ontop of that 6 turn overs in the final possession with a chance to win or tie the game = a QB Problem.....stop defending fitz, this team played with a back up QB last year and he played well for a back up, but in the list of intangables that make a franchise QB, fitz doesn't add up to much.

What your saying is absolutely false. Fitzpatrick did not drop the perfect pass that would have one the game in overtime against Pittsburg. Fitz did not fumble the ball in overtime against the Ravens.

Did he make mistakes sure. I have also seen Farve choke and plenty of clutch situations.

[old_rasputin]

Our defense held the Chiefs to 13 points.

Fitz threw int's with less than a minute left in the 4th vs the Steelers & Chiefs....how quickly we forget...

Not to mention costly turnovers in other contests as well...

Nice of you to point those two games out.

The KC Game, he still came back to get us a GW field goal that Lindell missed.

The Pitt game, he still got us down the field to tie in that same minute after throwing the pick.

Those are the two BEST examples for your argument.

[Joe Fan]

I think its funny how posters want to imply that Fitz is better than Farve and Aikman among others. If Steve Johnson had just caught that pass, Fitz would be a Canton shoo-in.

[Big B]

The Ravens game...Bills held the lead init he 4th QT, Fitz threw a pick giving the Ravens the ball in scoring position to tie then the game and then did the same thing, giving them the ball on the 20 or so to take the lead.

The Steelers game...Bills needed 3 points to win the game, Fitz throws the pick on the 2 yard line with no Bills anywhere near the ball to send the game to OT. Yes Stevie dropped the ball for a TD in OT, but fitz lost the game by putting us in OT to begin with.

In the Steelers game, the INT that you're talking about went right through Stevie's hands and Polamalu made a diving catch. Watch the highlight video. Stop making stuff up. You exaggerate your points to make Fitzpatrick seem worse than he really is. And you contradict yourself. You say that he pads his stats, yet why do many of his turnovers come in the last couple minutes of the game? I'd rather have him taking a risk against a defense when the team is down by 6 rather than throw it short and run out of time or downs. The defense knows we're going to be passing in those situations, obviously an INT will be more likely.

[Big B]

I think its funny how posters want to imply that Fitz is better than Farve and Aikman among others. If Steve Johnson had just caught that pass, Fitz would be a Canton shoo-in.

I think it's funny that no one tried to imply that Fitz is better than either of them. You just put words in people's mouth to make it seem like the people defending Fitzpatrick are stupid.

[bdietze]

i agree with this topic but no 100%... at times was Chan`s poor play calling!

that game in KC was an perfect example... we were pounding with Jsckson running hard and when we passed midfield, he called 3 passes that went incomplete!!

[BornBillfan]

to think that people on here wanted Gabbert

[IceCopX]

I heard a sound bite of Brett Favre last night on ESPN,
"The career of a QB isn't determined by stats, its determined by what he can do in the clutch"

This defines our QB situation perfectly. Fitz was given the ball with a chance to win 6 times last season, last possession or two, clutch time. ALL 6 resulted in TURNOVERS, 5 picks and a fumble....thats all I need to know.

If you can't trust your QB to give you a shot at in the final minutes when its all on the line, to carry the team, to play mistake free at a high level for that one possession, then you don't have a franchise QB, you have a QB problem.

thats exactly what the Bills have, they have a guy that can't control his arm, they have a guy that was able to pad his stats(nearly double them) in junk time.
Watch the games people. Fitz was unable to have 1st half production nearly all season...putting it all on a weak defense. He cost the win in balitmore, and pittsburgh, and many others. Being unable to get 1st downs or points in an entire half, takes the running game out of it in the 2nd half, pads his own stats, and cost wins.....add ontop of that 6 turn overs in the final possession with a chance to win or tie the game = a QB Problem.....stop defending fitz, this team played with a back up QB last year and he played well for a back up, but in the list of intangables that make a franchise QB, fitz doesn't add up to much.

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[AWorldOfPain]

I heard a sound bite of Brett Favre last night on ESPN,
"The career of a QB isn't determined by stats, its determined by what he can do in the clutch"

This defines our QB situation perfectly. Fitz was given the ball with a chance to win 6 times last season, last possession or two, clutch time. ALL 6 resulted in TURNOVERS, 5 picks and a fumble....thats all I need to know.

Well, Favre's quote is only half true. Yes, in order to be considered great you need to perform in the clutch. However, if you don't have good stats then you won't even get that opportunity.

As far as Fitzpatrick's performance in the clutch, 6 games is a very small sample size especially with this o-line.

[LINDA_D]

Is the lock-out over yet?
Fact..
1.) regardless of any QB we sign in FA, Fitz is the starting QB of the 2011 Buffalo Bills. Deal with it!
2.) While no one in Canton has ordered his bust just yet, his QB play last year was more exciting to watch than all the QB's since Flutie rolled up in one huge Burrito.
3.) Nix doesn't give away quality draft picks. We won't see a FA QB come in to OP with the hopes of sitting Fitz.
4.) Anyone who hangs any of the losses (last year) on any one player is asking to be flamed. there is more than enough blame to go around.

I could write War & Peace about why the original post was (at best) a bad thoery.
instead I suggest the OP and others re read the thread without the personal attacks.
The truth is we have no idea what Fitz would do over a season with a good defense giving him field position and not making the Offense play from behind.

When the clock is your enemy and you have the ball on your own 20, your playbook just got 40% smaller. and the opposing D knows that as well.

[gr8dane00]

I heard a sound bite of Brett Favre last night on ESPN,
"The career of a QB isn't determined by stats, its determined by what he can do in the clutch"

This defines our QB situation perfectly. Fitz was given the ball with a chance to win 6 times last season, last possession or two, clutch time. ALL 6 resulted in TURNOVERS, 5 picks and a fumble....thats all I need to know.

If you can't trust your QB to give you a shot at in the final minutes when its all on the line, to carry the team, to play mistake free at a high level for that one possession, then you don't have a franchise QB, you have a QB problem.

thats exactly what the Bills have, they have a guy that can't control his arm, they have a guy that was able to pad his stats(nearly double them) in junk time.
Watch the games people. Fitz was unable to have 1st half production nearly all season...putting it all on a weak defense. He cost the win in balitmore, and pittsburgh, and many others. Being unable to get 1st downs or points in an entire half, takes the running game out of it in the 2nd half, pads his own stats, and cost wins.....add ontop of that 6 turn overs in the final possession with a chance to win or tie the game = a QB Problem.....stop defending fitz, this team played with a back up QB last year and he played well for a back up, but in the list of intangables that make a franchise QB, fitz doesn't add up to much.

Wow, we are dumber for having read this.

[oilcitybbfan]

He sucked at cinncy and,when he put the wrong spin on that ball to stevie against Pitt.Well that was it...

[oilcitybbfan]

To be honest I thought you were talking about that reporter in New York when i read that title.

[buffalo-believer]

So Stevie dropping the ball against the Steelers was Fitz's fault?

[Trey]

To be honest I thought you were talking about that reporter in New York when i read that title.

Yup. I came in her just to post this:

[HATER NATION]

Lol clutch?? Brett favre?? You do realize thst he has the most ints in nfl history, also most in the playoffs ( he passed kelly who was better than favre). Also, each og the last four years his last pass was an int, including the superrbowl....which was a idiotic move and lost it for them but yeah clutch

[HATER NATION]

Yup. I came in her just to post this:

Would rip that all up

[sadbrad]

If I said it once...I've said it thousands times...

There's only one stat teams care about...

That's winning.

[sadbrad]

And in late game situations guys with similar experience all make those mistakes. Fitz has played in 41 games, probably 36 starts. That's two seasons worth. He has played in 4 different offenses. In ONE of his 41 games, he was playing in that offense for his second year.

Under those circumstances, it's not at all surprising that in pressure situations he didn't perform as well as anyone would like.

I don't know if he'll be any better in 2011, but I do know that it doesn't make sense to write him off before seeing how he can do this year. This will be the first time he goes to camp as a starter, the first time he gets starter reps, the first time he'll take the field in game 1 as the starter and the first time he'll be in the same offense with the same receivers for the second year in a row.

He's only played 41 games, and he's done that under plenty of difficult circumstances. Give him a chance to do it like any ordinary guy has gotten.

Look at Marck Sanchez. Year 1, passer rating = 63.0. Year 2, 75.3. Now, some of that improvement comes from being a second year pro. Fitzpatrick already has been a second year pro. But some of it comes from second year in the same offense, second year with the same receivers. And, obviously, the Jets expect him to be better in his third year. Why is it so hard to recognize that Fitz may benefit from the opportunity in front of him?

I'll give you that he's played in three different the last three years.

But I hate the argument he's only played in 41 games. Thirty-six of his 41 games were played in the last three years. Which means he played 36 out of the last 48 games. That's more than enough starting experience.