Very simple question.
Are wins a QB stat? People use them on here to defend the guys they like and knock the guys they don't, and then they'll change it up when the situation suits them.
So are wins a QB stat or not?
Discuss.
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Are wins a QB stat?
Very simple question.
Are wins a QB stat? People use them on here to defend the guys they like and knock the guys they don't, and then they'll change it up when the situation suits them.
So are wins a QB stat or not?
Discuss.
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When talking about QBS, wins are a QB stat..
When talking about coaches, wins are a coaching stat..
When talking about GMs, wins are a GM stat..
When talking about owners, wins are an owner stat..
Not 4 Superbowl losses, it's 4 consecutive AFC Championships
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I don't agree
Let's make Young a Bill in that case
He's a proven winner
Wins are not everything for a QB
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That is not a very simple question. It's a loaded question, and a simple yes or no will not do. Too many situational arguments.
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Wins are a subjective statistic when breaking down Quarterbacks. Some guys like Fitzpatrick may win more games with better talent on the team, while guys like Rex Grossman ride the coattails of his teammates all the way to the Super Bowl (throw in Mark Sanchez in that category).
Wins are the main stat when it comes to a team as a whole, coaches, and GMs
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Yeah, I'd say so.
Some QBs just have that clutch ability, also known as "IT", that wins football games. It's one of things that's impossible to coach.
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Quoted for truth.Originally Posted by TheElectricCompany
Who cares about their stats if they get it done?
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Because they don't get it done. The team does.
Anyone who thinks a QB can carry a team on their own has been watching too much Friday Night Lights.
Hell yes a good QB is important. And the most important person on the team.
That is like saying the brain is the most important organ in your body. But it isn't going to get **** done if you don't have any kidneys...
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Excellent point. Not every aspect of winning can be measured in yards or percentage points. As a matter of fact, I'd even say that Fitz is better than his numbers from last year. Just seeing how much better the offense was under his guidance was proof of that.
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2009: 28th in points per game.
2010: 28th in points per game
Our offense was never "much better".
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How do you know THEY are getting it done? What if their team is the one that is winning games? Why hold one QB to a higher standard than another just because his defense is better?
QB A needs to score 12 points to earn a win. QB A scores 15 points per game. QB A wins 13 games.
QB B needs to score 22 points to earn a win. QB B scores 18 points per game. QB B wins 7 games.
Clearly, QB A has the "it" factor that so many people on here talk about? That is complete bullcrap. Look at the numbers and watch the games. Wins/losses is the worst stat in the world.
Last edited by Big B; 05-30-2011 at 11:30 AM.
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Not at all. Wins are a team achievement, not an individual one.
Why So Serious?
Its the #1 QB stat when comparing QB's. Same with coaches. Bledsoe has all the numbers to be a top 10 QB, but he is a .500 Qb.
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Only if you're an idiot.
EDIT: After thinking about this post I should have said "only if you're a total idiot" W-L is just about the worst possible stat, except maybe shoe size or hair color, that you would use to compare QBs.
EDIT 2: I just read that post again and it is REALLY stupid.
Last edited by caffeine addict; 05-30-2011 at 12:21 AM.
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The only time wins are a QB stat is if you compare two QB's on the same team.
If all else remains nearly equal then you can count the wins.
Like Flutie / Johnson, Trent / JP, Bledsoe / Brady, Green / Warner, ? / Roethlesburger.
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It's complicated. You better take notes:
If the QB you like has a lot of wins, then it's a QB stat.
If the QB you like has a lot of losses, then it's a team stat.
If the QB you don't like has a lot of wins, then it's a team stat.
If the QB you don't like has a lot of losses, then it's a QB stat.
Write that down. There will be a quiz later.
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Copy, sir. And I agreeIt's complicated. You better take notes:
If the QB you like has a lot of wins, then it's a QB stat.
If the QB you like has a lot of losses, then it's a team stat.
If the QB you don't like has a lot of wins, then it's a team stat.
If the QB you don't like has a lot of losses, then it's a QB stat.
Write that down. There will be a quiz later.
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Wat.
I don't think that they are a statistic that can ever be used in an argument for or against a quarterback, seeing as it's a 53 man roster with three phases of the game. It takes an entire team executing, and a competent coaching staff to win a game. Not just one quarterback.
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Two names.
Dan Marino & Terry Bradshaw.
If Marino had the superbowl wins that Bradshaw had, he'd be considered as arguably the greated QB of all time.
Without his SB rings, Bradshaw wouldn't even be an honorable mention in the 20 best alltime QB's.
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Marino was on a comparatively lousy team. Bradshaw was on a comparatively great team. However, both were great QBs ... because they performed the duties of a QB extremely well.
It's that simple.
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