Mario stays strapped

[Big B]

See this argument doesn't work either unless you are literally sitting at your house facing the door or wherever the burglar is going to be coming in from with gun in hand. If a burglar comes in with a gun with the intent of killing you, what does having a gun do anything to protect yourself? The guy would kill you before you got the gun unless as I stated you keep it in your hand at all times which would be insane.

Burglars are coming to steal things, they are not looking for a confrontation they want to get in and out. Burglars also do not come with guns because stealing vs stealing with a weapon is a huge difference in what you will be charged with jail wise. The burglar you guys are talking about is such a minuscule % of reality.

Lets put it this way my dad didn't have a gun and my family was fine, his grandfather didn't and their family was fine. Can any of you even state a time your family has been safe strictly because there was a gun vs there not being one there? Stretch it back as far as you want in history or to whatever stretch of cousins count as family as you want.

This is the difference between reality and fear based arguing, I will take reality you guys take fear and buy up as many guns/ammo as you want. I am not some liberal saying you can't have your guns, I just hate the arguments people use for it, at least man up and say I want my guns because I am a scared little girl of things that will never happen to me.

If a plane crashes will you never fly on one again as a solution? Because that is what you are arguing % wise with a random person coming to kill you. I'd rather take the more logical solution of finding out why the plane crashed and preventing it from happening. Example with guns, VT student killed other students, instead of manning every student with a gun why don't we look at it and say you know what maybe selling guns to people with psychological issues isn't such a great idea.

This is absolutely ridiculous.
To counter your first paragraph.. If you don't wake up in time during a burglary, then yeah I guess having a gun is useless, but so is having a baseball bat or knife or big muscles like you. Owning a gun essentially guarantees that you will not be attacked or robbed if you are able to confront the person. Not owning the gun significantly lowers your chances of winning that battle.

And yeah, we understand that not everyone gets attacked/robbed and not everyone will need to use a gun in their life. I haven't needed one yet, and neither has my family. But is it reasonable to assume that something won't happen to you in your lifetime? You're honestly willing to take that risk for the sake of your supposed toughness? Remember that woman recently that shot and killed a guy trying to break in to her home? Was that uncalled for, even though she had a freaking infant sleeping in a crib?

And I think almost anyone would rather be considered a "scared little girl" than lose $1000 worth of stuff or get stabbed by someone. What the hell are you trying to prove to the guy that's breaking in to your home?

And your plane example is stupid. Not flying on a plane is inconvenient and severely limits your ability to travel to other places. A gun costs maybe 300 bucks and could save your life, or your kid's life, or your wife's life, or all the stuff that you keep in your living room. If you're willing to put those things at risk because you're too insecure to be labeled a "scared little girl", then I doubt anyone will have any respect for you. And of course guns shouldn't be sold to people with psychological issues. But people will be able to get guns if they want them. Gun control only controls responsible people. You can't control people who will use them for the wrong reasons.

I think literally every single sentence in your post was completely wrong and had an easy counter-argument. There is no way that any rational being can hold the opinion that you have. You must be just saying that stuff to get a rise out of people.

[Brueggs]

You are seriously not comparing LIVING IN AMERICA TO IRAQ, are you kidding me? Here is a comparison from the exact opposite side (and ironically a lot closer country to compare to America) the vast majority of British Police do not carry guns and as far as I know that country has been around for awhile and hasn't done too badly.

With that said I am for police carrying guns in America because obviously we are two different countries in that aspect, but seriously you compared us to frickin Iraq, I still can't get over that, didn't any part of you as an American typing a comparison to Iraq feel insulted yourself?

I didn't, you made that assumption. You said guns are for pussies. I said I would love to see you say that in Iraq. How about this instead. I would love to hear to say that in any Marine barracks here in the US. Can a puss own a gun? Yes. Is that a prerequisite to owning one? No. I was simply pointing out that plenty of real men carry firearms and are far from being a pussy like you say. Plenty of those same guys live right here with us and are no longer active.

You made a comparison to someone punching you in the face, and fighting back, or not, like a man. First, there is no reason to introduce a weapon to a fist fight, but let me ask you this. If someone punched you in the face and then stuck their pistol in it, what would you do? Its simply a matter of being a victim, or having the ability to defend yourself. I respect anyone's right to not carry a firearm, but I would also expect that people would be OK with a responsible citizen carrying one. Whats so hard to understand?

If you think the police are always going to be in the right place at the right time to stop bad guys with guns, you would be sadly mistaken. People have a right to defend themselves.

[Cucumber55]

You watch too many movies dude.

While i agree the post you were quoting may be a bit far fetched.
It is logical to say you stand a better chance with a gun then without.

[Brueggs]

So your saying a gun fight in the street with your family is the way to go about not having your car stolen?

Your Rambo or something? Your going to take out a group of thugs before they shoot? Come on.

If they are planning on driving off with my kids in the back, absolutely.

Watch the news. Pay attention to the economy. If it keeps getting worse, people will just start doing crazier things.

Having a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. It can be the difference of being prepared or being a victim. Simple as that.

[caffeine addict]

Sadly more kids are killed by handguns in the home than by burglars or home invaders.

[0c5er]

This thread is getting too political for these boards.

[Big B]

So your saying a gun fight in the street with your family is the way to go about not having your car stolen?

Your Rambo or something? Your going to take out a group of thugs before they shoot? Come on.

Obviously every situation is different. In an instance where someone is trying to mug you and they don't have a gun, wouldn't you think a gun would be pretty useful? Obviously if 3 guys come up to you and they all have guns, you won't be able to defend yourself regardless of what weapon you have. I'd be willing to bet that people who own guns for self protection never actually end up shooting at anyone at all, even if they are confronted. It's more about the statement you make when you pull the gun out, making the attacker back away and leave you alone. It's common sense. If you are comfortable with being attacked, then that's your choice. But I think it's dumb to bash someone who does carry a gun because they value their life, property, and family.

[caffeine addict]

This thread is getting too political for these boards.

Yeah, I can see why they closed down that forum...

[El Buffalo LOCO]

"Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it"

/Thread

[Big B]

Sadly more kids are killed by handguns in the home than by burglars or home invaders.

That is due to a lack of education on gun safety by the parents and their children.

[DaBills4Life]

This is absolutely ridiculous.
To counter your first paragraph.. If you don't wake up in time during a burglary, then yeah I guess having a gun is useless, but so is having a baseball bat or knife or big muscles like you. Owning a gun essentially guarantees that you will not be attacked or robbed if you are able to confront the person. Not owning the gun significantly lowers your chances of winning that battle.

And yeah, we understand that not everyone gets attacked/robbed and not everyone will need to use a gun in their life. I haven't needed one yet, and neither has my family. But is it reasonable to assume that something won't happen to you in your lifetime? You're honestly willing to take that risk for the sake of your supposed toughness? Remember that woman recently that shot and killed a guy trying to break in to her home? Was that uncalled for, even though she had a freaking infant sleeping in a crib?

And I think almost anyone would rather be considered a "scared little girl" than lose $1000 worth of stuff or get stabbed by someone. What the hell are you trying to prove to the guy that's breaking in to your home?

And your plane example is stupid. Not flying on a plane is inconvenient and severely limits your ability to travel to other places. A gun costs maybe 300 bucks and could save your life, or your kid's life, or your wife's life, or all the stuff that you keep in your living room. If you're willing to put those things at risk because you're too insecure to be labeled a "scared little girl", then I doubt anyone will have any respect for you. And of course guns shouldn't be sold to people with psychological issues. But people will be able to get guns if they want them. Gun control only controls responsible people. You can't control people who will use them for the wrong reasons.

I think literally every single sentence in your post was completely wrong and had an easy counter-argument. There is no way that any rational being can hold the opinion that you have. You must be just saying that stuff to get a rise out of people.

What is the wrong reason? Is shooting an unarmed person you think is threatening you a wrong reason? Who is to decide what a threat is?

Having a gun at home is different then walking the street with one. I am not against guns to protect your family at home.

[El Buffalo LOCO]

This thread should probably be moved to "political BS"...

[Cucumber55]

Sadly more kids are killed by handguns in the home than by burglars or home invaders.

Sadly more parents are neglect in raising kids to respect guns.
In my house growing up my dad had guns. They weren't locked up or anything i knew were they were at all times. (The ammo was locked up in the basement)
As a 6 year old boy i wanted a BB gun. Unfortunately as a 6 year old boy i was very curios and found myself playing with my dads .12 gauge.
Simply put, I got a switching and wasn't able to get that BB gun till i was 8.
With the owning of a gun comes the responsibility to teach your kids respect of firearms.

[DaBills4Life]

That is due to a lack of education on gun safety by the parents and their children.

Thats the whole point.

[Cucumber55]

come on guys. Keep it at civil discussion level. No need to get it closed.

[Cucumber55]

Thats the whole point.

I missed the whole point....

[Big B]

What is the wrong the reason? Is shooting an unarmed person you think is threatening you a wrong reason? Who is decide what a threat is?

Having a gun at home is different then walking the street with one. I am not against guns to protect your family at home.

The point is to not shoot the person, but to pull the gun out and force them to leave you alone. I personally don't carry a gun with me down the street, and I never will. But if someone is responsible, then they should be allowed to carry a gun. People that use guns for the wrong reasons don't follow the rules anyway.

[crazyray]

Well Mario can afford to buy the ammo for a browning 50 cal and he doesn't have to worry about reloading ammo to save money. I would just like to try for a minute or two if I wasn't paying for the ammo.

[Cucumber55]

What is the wrong the reason? Is shooting an unarmed person you think is threatening you a wrong reason? Who is decide what a threat is?

Having a gun at home is different then walking the street with one. I am not against guns to protect your family at home.

Judgment. I don't think an honest law abiding citizen wants to shoot someone for no reason.
And if they do we've already decided that they can get a gun anyways.
I'm saying for honest people minding their own. It is their right according to the Constitution of the United States of America to bear arms if so inclined.
And that right "Shall not be infringed"

[CaliBills92]

"Special ops" has nothing to do with the tools. But the user. A Navy seal/Grean Beret/Ranger/Marine can snap a neck with their bare hands.... Does that mean my hands are special op weapons?? :o

Completely agree. Gun haters just say those things to scare people and make them sound evil and unjustified to have.

Other than my wide range of guns I own. I also have 6th, 5th, 3rd and 1st degree black belts in four different martial arts. Maybe we should ban martial arts also because there is no need to know how to defend yourself?