Ryan Fitzpatrick/Turnover machine

[dog14787]

The daily TRASH-FITZ thread.......Too bad this is all the OP has to live for......

Everyone wants to trash the OP yet cannot come up with anything to support the argument "Fitz is a good starter in the NFL."

You can't, and won't , because there is no evidence of it. So by all means , continue to bash the OP,

I realize its the best you can do...

[dog14787]

In your world, apparently "discussion" = "whining", "bashing", etc.



I hate to tell you this, but I think the Bills have already figured out that turnovers are one of their biggest problems.



You seem to be confused between last year and this year. The Bills did NOT have a good defense last season. They had crappy OT play all season long that was exacerbated by injuries along the interior OL. They had 1 quality NFL caliber WR. Then their best RB broke his leg. In other words, Fitzpatrick was NOT in good situation at all last year, and being the competitive guy he is, he tried to make up for team deficiencies himself. Oops. Not the best idea he ever had, but just about every NFL QB put in the same type of situation winds up doing the same thing. One of the reasons these guys are NFL QBs is their drive to win.

Last year, however, is NOT this year. This year, hopefully, the defense will be better, but we don't know that. Hopefully, the kids on the OL will come through and make it better, especially at the OT spots. Even if Graham doesn't catch a lot of passes, catching a few big ones will make the Bills passing game better by forcing the safeties to play deeper to guard against the long ball or the long catch and run. Fewer injuries would be really nice.

On paper, the Bills have improved, but we don't know how that's really going to translate to the field. That's why they play the actual games. If all of the "paper" improvements turn out well on the field, then I expect that not only will the Bills have a winning record and possibly make the playoffs in 2012, but Fitzpatrick will have a great year.

I don't believe in the myth of a QB "carrying a team on his back". If that was true then Dan Marino and Peyton Manning would be sporting SB rings on most of their fingers. Instead, guys who were/are not nearly as great QBs sport multiple ones.

I'm talking about now , not last season, its what I would be telling Fitz this season, along with I've done everything I can, the rest is up to you.


I'll make a deal with you Linda, Buddy signs Vince I'll shut my pie hole, forever...


...not... hehe,... but I will shut up about not addressing the QB position properly... which is all I'm asking ...

[Baad 1]

and you claim to know better then Elway, what a joke, and wasn't you one of the posters that said he wouldn't go in the 2nd

You wanted him picked in the 1st rd.........Also doesn't make him a star cause he went in the 2nd. He is a MAJOR project and Elway can babysit him for 4 years and maybe get a backup QB out of him.

[gadzod]

and you claim to know better then Elway, what a joke, and wasn't you one of the posters that said he wouldn't go in the 2nd

And you claim you know better than Chan Gailey and Buddy Nix......You know, a NFL Coach and GM?

[Baad 1]

Everyone wants to trash the OP yet cannot come up with anything to support the argument "Fitz is a good starter in the NFL."

You can't, and won't , because there is no evidence of it. So by all means , continue to bash the OP,

I realize its the best you can do...

I will refer you to the first 7 games the Bills played last year as evidence. After the QB, O-line RB, and WR injuries the team was not the same. If you didn't hate Fitz so much you could accept this and not rant everyday on injuries that no one has control over.

[dog14787]

And you claim you know better than Chan Gailey and Buddy Nix......You know, a NFL Coach and GM?

we would have drafted him in the 3rd

[gadzod]

we would have drafted him in the 3rd

I didn't know you were in the war room? Wow! That must have been cool!

[Drizzy]

every time I see someone whine about Fitz's ints I wonder if they watched the games or just look at the numbers and make assumptions.

Of course we watched the games smh, there were some games where he completely overthrew receivers

[Brueggs]

Everyone wants to trash the OP yet cannot come up with anything to support the argument "Fitz is a good starter in the NFL."

You can't, and won't , because there is no evidence of it. So by all means , continue to bash the OP,

I realize its the best you can do...

Look back through your thread. People have responded, but you have chosen not to discuss anything that invalidates your opinion.
Im still amazed that you believe that when a team is playing from behind that they would protect the ball more than if they were winning LOL

[LINDA_D]

and you claim to know better then Elway, what a joke, and wasn't you one of the posters that said he wouldn't go in the 2nd

I said I didn't want the Bills taking him before the third. I could care less that the Donkeys took him in the 2nd, just like I had to laugh when the Carp took Tannehill at #8.

[dog14787]

I said I didn't want the Bills taking him before the third. I could care less that the Donkeys took him in the 2nd, just like I had to laugh when the Carp took Tannehill at #8.

so we are talking about a 1 round difference of opinion, well , you sure could have fooled me Linda

[OMG_They_Killed_Brady!!!]

I'm not a hater or blind lover just a keen observer. Fitz Does have a lot of ints, and its not always because he had to force the ball down field because its late in the game and they're behind. Fitz is actually a better finisher than starter. His bad starts are part of the reason for his glorious comebacks and insurmountable deficits leading to a loss.

Fitz is statistically a better second half QB than first, Fitz had:
1st half ints 11 2nd half ints 12 (basically the same)
QB rating 1st half 77.6 2nd half 80.5
comp% 1st half 60.4 2nd half 63.7
touchdowns 1st half 11 2nd half 13

Also Fitz struggles on 3rd down conversions no matter the distance (check source for stats). Fitz needs to improve on starting the game better, a better start will also cause a better finish.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...e=AFC&rank=049

[PromoTheRobot]

You know who else was a turnover machine? Eli Manning. What a bum!

PTR

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm not a hater or blind lover just a keen observer. Fitz Does have a lot of ints, and its not always because he had to force the ball down field because its late in the game and they're behind. Fitz is actually a better finisher than starter. His bad starts are part of the reason for his glorious comebacks and insurmountable deficits leading to a loss.

Fitz is statistically a better second half QB than first, Fitz had:
1st half ints 11 2nd half ints 12 (basically the same)
QB rating 1st half 77.6 2nd half 80.5
comp% 1st half 60.4 2nd half 63.7
touchdowns 1st half 11 2nd half 13

Also Fitz struggles on 3rd down conversions no matter the distance (check source for stats). Fitz needs to improve on starting the game better, a better start will also cause a better finish.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...e=AFC&rank=049

You are a lying sack of crap. Fitz had 7 INTs after week 8. He had 16 INTs in the 2nd half. So if you can't get that easy stat right, then the rest of your post must be BS.

PTR

[adrenaline]

Fitz never was a very accurate QB, he lobs it up there and hopes the WR can get to it, most of his throws are under thrown. It would be great if he could become more accurate but thats why teams give up on him because he just isn't good enough. I wish Fitz luck this season I hope he can get better but the odds are not on his side his track record speaks for itself, a smart QB with a below average arm.

[RED800]

Ryan Fitzpatrick led the league last season with 23 INT's and is in the top 5 for the worse TD to INT ratio with 24 TD's, 23 INT's. This is unacceptable for a starting QB. Practically every playoff caliber QB in the league has their TD to INT ratio down to at least 2-1. Ryan Fitzpatrick was rated 22 out of 32 QB's in the NFL, that's not even middle of the pack. You cannot turn the football over 23 times from the QB position and expect to win football games.

The most important position on the football team is the QB position yet this is the position we did nothing to improve upon.


Anyone care to share their thoughts...

Eli Manning led the league in 2010 with 25 int's....i think that guy is pretty good?????

[dog14787]

You are a lying sack of crap. Fitz had 7 INTs after week 8. He had 16 INTs in the 2nd half. So if you can't get that easy stat right, then the rest of your post must be BS.

PTR

I think you may have misread his post PTR

[OMG_They_Killed_Brady!!!]

You are a lying sack of crap. Fitz had 7 INTs after week 8. He had 16 INTs in the 2nd half. So if you can't get that easy stat right, then the rest of your post must be BS.

PTR

Isn't this an infraction?

Now I posted my source for the all the statistics I used in my post. Where did your numbers come from? Last I checked the Washington Post is a credible source who used STATS LLC. who is a company/website dedicated to tracking stats of all major sports for than 30 years. So again please provide your source of information and we can further discuss then. Please calm down and stop the insults and name calling its just a discussion about a game don't ruin the board with that type of behavior.

[DIESEL-USMC]

Isn't this an infraction?

Now I posted my source for the all the statistics I used in my post. Where did your numbers come from? Last I checked the Washington Post is a credible source who used STATS LLC. who is a company/website dedicated to tracking stats of all major sports for than 30 years. So again please provide your source of information and we can further discuss then. Please calm down and stop the insults and name calling its just a discussion about a game don't ruin the board with that type of behavior.

He did say crap, afterall

[OMG_They_Killed_Brady!!!]

He did say crap, afterall

So its ok to insult other posters... Duly noted