Interesting posting on Vince Young

[Scott7975]

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/201...-career-record

It basically points out to people that say all Vy does is win.... his record against playoff caliber teams is 5-10. They also show Vys stats against teams and point out that a couple of those 5 wins were against a gimme game from the colts and an arizona team that didnt play Kurt Warner. NFL.com shows his record against teams .500 or better is 13-14 (which was when he got canned from the Titans, it is now 14-18). So to me that winning record, that people like to point out so much, doesnt mean much.

[Stinger]

I remember when we lost a gimme game to Pittsburgh awhile back. They sat their starters & everything. It counted though VYs dont.

[o Cj o0]

He has 14 wins against .500 teams, an fitz has only 17 wins against ALL TEAMS

[Scott7975]

He has 14 wins against .500 teams, an fitz has only 17 wins against ALL TEAMS

Did I mention Fitz? Im talking about Vy and Vy alone. This isnt suppose to be a thread about Fitz. Of course you wouldnt see that from your Fitz hatred and your delusioned fantasy about Vy being the savior that he isnt (which is actually what I was trying to point out)

[Koko78]

Did I mention Fitz?

It doesn't matter if you mentioned Fitz or not. These idiots come out in every thread mentioning a QB just to bash him.

[Joe Fan]

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/201...-career-record

It basically points out to people that say all Vy does is win.... his record against playoff caliber teams is 5-10. They also show Vys stats against teams and point out that a couple of those 5 wins were against a gimme game from the colts and an arizona team that didnt play Kurt Warner. NFL.com shows his record against teams .500 or better is 13-14 (which was when he got canned from the Titans, it is now 14-18). So to me that winning record, that people like to point out so much, doesnt mean much.

Does that mean that Vince Young is about as good as Matt Hasselback or Kerry Collins who replaced him, since they had similar records?

[o Cj o0]

It doesn't matter if you mentioned Fitz or not. These idiots come out in every thread mentioning a QB just to bash him.

This is a QB thread IDIOT

[Cornette'sCommentary]

He has 14 wins against .500 teams, an fitz has only 17 wins against ALL TEAMS

Repeat after me: I o Cj oO, take thee Vince Young, to be husband.

[C'thulhu]

I've been a member here for years. Threads like this are what ended in me getting permabanned.

[Koko78]

This is a QB thread IDIOT

Thanks for proving the point.

[jamiebuf12]

Does that mean that Vince Young is about as good as Matt Hasselback or Kerry Collins who replaced him, since they had similar records?

kerry collins went to a championship game with the panthers and a superbowl with the giants as the full time starter.............i highly doubt his stats were bad...

[WhenTheFitzHitsTheChan]

The only thing I need to know about Vince Young is that his attempts to interceptions ratio last year was double of Fitz's. That's very sad. Almost as sad as not being resigned by the Eagles and being replaced by a guy whose name rhymes with Brent Deadwards.

[Scott7975]

Does that mean that Vince Young is about as good as Matt Hasselback or Kerry Collins who replaced him, since they had similar records?

Well lets see...

Matt Hasselbeck:

3× Pro Bowl selection (2003, 2005, 2007)
1× All-Pro selection (2005)
2004 NFL Quarterback Challenge winner
2005 NFC Champion
1997 Scanlan Award
Seattle Seahawks All-Time Passing Yards Leader

TD–INT 194-142
Passing yards 33,150
QB rating 82.2


After becoming the starter in 2003, Hasselbeck led Seattle to six playoff appearances and a Super Bowl appearance while being selected to three Pro Bowls. He was also first-team All-Pro following the 2005 season.

Hasselbeck owns several of the Seahawks' franchise records:

[edit] Regular season
Games Started at Quarterback - 131
Highest Passer Rating, Season (Min. 200 attempts) - 98.2 (2005)[24]
Most Pass Attempts, Season - 562 (2007)[24]
Most Pass Attempts, Game - 55 (at San Francisco, 12/1/02)
Most Pass Attempts, Career - 3,806 [25]
Most Pass Completions, Season - 352 (2007)[24]
Most Pass Completions, Game - 39 (vs Detroit, 11/08/09)
Most Pass Completions, Career - 2,572 [25]
Most Passing Yards, Season - 4,279 (2007)[24]
Most Passing Yards, Game - 449 (at San Diego, 12/29/02)
Most Passing Yards, Career - 29,579 [25]
Most 300+ Yard Passing Games, Career - 16[26]
Most 300+ Yard Passing Games, Season - 4 (2002 and 2003)[26]
Most 3,000 Passing Yard Seasons, Career - 8[24]
Most Consecutive Seasons, 3,000 Yards Passing - 4 (2002–05)
Highest Completion %, Career (Min. 200 attempts) - 60.2%[27]
Most Touchdown Passes, Game - 5 (tie w/5 other players)
Most Consecutive Attempts Without an Interception - 159 (2005)
Lowest Interception %, Career (Min. 200 attempts) - 2.7%[27]
Only Seahawks QB with 13 wins in a season (13-3 in 2005)[24]

[edit] Playoffs
Most Playoff Starts: 11
Most Touchdown Passes: 18
Most Interceptions: 9
Most Pass Attempts - 325[28]
Most Pass Completions - 189[28]
Most Pass Completions, Game - 27 (1/8/05 vs. Rams)[28]
Most Passing Yards - 2487[28]
Most Passing Yards, Game - 341 (1/8/05 vs. Rams)[28]
Most 300+ Yard Passing Games - 2[28]
Highest Passer Rating - 118.0 (1/22/06 vs. Panthers) [28]
Highest Completion % - 59.7%[28]
Highest YPA - 6.80[28]
Most Consecutive Games w/TD Pass - 10 (current)[28]
Most Consecutive Passes Without Interception - 109 (2004–05)
Most Touchdown passes in a single game - 4 (1/8/11 vs. Saints)


Kerry Collins:


2× Pro Bowl (1996, 2008)
NFC Champion (2000)
Consensus All-American (1994)
Maxwell Award (1994)
Davey O'Brien Award (1994)
Sammy Baugh Award (1994)
College Quarterback of the Year (1994)
NY Giants single season record for passing yards (4,073) set in 2002, since broken

Career NFL statistics as of Week 5, 2011

TD-INT 208-196
Passing yards 40,922
QB Rating 73.8

Collins started the 1999 season as the Giants' second-string quarterback, but soon claimed the starting job. In the 2000 season Collins led the Giants to Super Bowl XXXV, where they lost to the Baltimore Ravens. During the 2001 season, Collins set a single-season NFL record with 23 fumbles[3] (Collins' record was tied in 2002 by then-Minnesota Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper). In 2002, Collins set the Giants single season franchise passing record with 4, 073 yards (The record was broken by Eli Manning in 2011)

Collins began the 2004 season as the team's backup to Rich Gannon, but took over the starting role when Gannon suffered a neck injury in the third week of the regular season. Collins was the team's starting quarterback for the 2005 season, subsequent to Gannon's retirement.[4]

The 2005 Raiders season started off well for Collins, but he was benched after a 34-10 Week 12 loss to the San Diego Chargers. After Tuiasosopo's 26-10 loss at the Jets in Week 13, Collins regained his starting job in Week 14 against the Cleveland Browns (a 9–7 loss at home). After two seasons and a 7–21 record with the Raiders, Collins was cut on March 10, 2006 in what was at least partially a move designed to free space with the salary cap.

On August 28, 2006, Collins agreed to a one-year contract with the Tennessee Titans. After three games, all losses for the Titans, Collins had completed fewer than half his passes, and had thrown one touchdown and six interceptions. Vince Young, who played extensively as a substitute in the second game, started the fourth through sixth games while Collins saw no playing time in any of them. On March 5, 2007 he re-signed with the Titans.

Collins (right) and Peyton Manning at the 2009 Pro Bowl.
After Young was injured against Jacksonville on September 7, 2008, Collins finished the game and was named the Titans starting quarterback for the rest of 2008 later that week. On September 21, 2008, Collins became the 15th player in NFL history to pass for more than 35,000 yards. Coming into the game against the Houston Texans, Collins needed only 90 yards to eclipse the mark. On his ninth completion of 13 attempts, Collins completed a 17-yard pass to Justin McCareins to give him 107 yards on the day and 35,017 yards for his career.

The Titans finished the 2008 regular season with a record of 13–3, top seed in the playoffs, and a first round bye. In the divisional round they lost to the Baltimore Ravens 13-10. A last minute field goal by Matt Stover won the game for the Ravens. Collins indicated after the season that he would like to play in 2009, but only as a starter.[5] Collins replaced Jets quarterback Brett Favre in the 2009 Pro Bowl, after first alternate Philip Rivers pulled out. He re-signed with the Titans on February 27, 2009. His new contract was worth $15 million, with $8.5 million guaranteed over two years.[6]

Collins (left) with the Tennessee Titans, and Matt Schaub.
Collins returned as the team's starting quarterback for the beginning of the 2009 season. In week six the TItans were defeated by the New England Patriots 59-0. After that loss and a 0-6 record on the season, coach Jeff Fisher replaced Collins as starting quarterback with Vince Young, three days before the November 1, 2009 game against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Fisher stated that he was against this decision, saying that the problems with the team were unrelated to quarterback play, but he made the substitution after being urged by Titans owner Bud Adams to do so.[7] The Titans won five straight games with Young as quarterback, and later finished the season 8-8


I would say no on Hasselbeck and maybe on Collins. Hasselbeck has had a good career and Collins has been up and down although I would say Collins has had a better overall career then Vy as well. Although both QBs have played in a superbowl and young hasnt. Its actually interesting though that Collins and Young are both head cases and both have had serious issues.

You can judge for yourself but those are my opinions

[Baad 1]

He has 14 wins against .500 teams, an fitz has only 17 wins against ALL TEAMS

Says the Dolphin fan........

[NJBIlls80]

If only I cared about a Backup QB that has not made the team yet. Only thing I care about right now is our starters.

[Griff]

Who is Vince Young? Is he on the practice squad?

[Glorydays]

a .500 record vs playoff teams ain't bad.

You have failed to prove what you tried to prove, and brought even more criticism on the bearded one.

[Kogno]

a .500 record vs playoff teams ain't bad.

You have failed to prove what you tried to prove, and brought even more criticism on the bearded one.

Except you failed to do the math properly...

[old school]

are we talking about a 21yo young who was faster than greased lightning
and was able to make something out of nothing with shear athletic ability
or the current day young who has gotten older and lost that extra step?

the 21yo young would be the bills day#1 starter.
current young is playing on a 1yr/vet min contract cuz NOBODY else wanted him...

what a drag it is getting old!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Who is Vince Young? Is he on the practice squad?

I don't think he's even qualified for PS yet.



the vy band-wagoners not only believe but want vy to become the starter clearly says they are infatuated with a fantasy that vy is going to be the savior of the team and also says they not only don't have faith in Fitz, but clearly don't support him.


be careful though, if you don't believe in their train of thought or support their vy dreams and fantasy, you are high on bath salts


Fitz needs to step up his game or he'll be replaced by a has been head case, that's a real improvement.


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