No one said to forget about it, it has nothing to do with the game though.Originally Posted by MikePalumbo
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No one said to forget about it, it has nothing to do with the game though.
Go Bills!!!
Marcel, Kyle Williams, and Mario Williams in for the sack. Its a ham sandwich!!!!
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There are still 6 weeks to go, these teams are a couple of games ahead of us. We can bring it to one game against the Colts. As far as I'm concerned, even though numbers say otherwise, we still have the playoffs in our hands. If we win out, we definitely will make the playoffs. Teams will be beating each other up and pushing each other out of the playoffs. I think its even more improbable that the Bills don't make the playoffs if they win out vs a scenario where teams perfectly beat each other and keep teams in those two last wildcard and the Bills don't make it if they win out. That doesn't happen very often where a team doesn't make it at 10-6.
Have faith
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Here's the most realistic scenario for the Bills to make the playoffs
Bills playoff picture2012.jpg
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Im not saying we have no chance or that its over or anything like that (although I am certainly more of a realist than many of you on here). The point im trying to make is simply that it is ridiculous to in any way compare a 4-6 team 2 games out of the playoffs to a 9-6 team who needed 1 win to guarantee a birth. The 2 situations are completely different. IF WE ARE LUCKY we can watch a similar situation play out in week 17. If we get to that pt, we can talk about 04. but til then....
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Certainly the way it could go.
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No one is 9-6 right now, we have to play the games. We're saying it could come down to that. I see your point though.
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Marcel, Kyle Williams, and Mario Williams in for the sack. Its a ham sandwich!!!!
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All that really matters now is the next game. Trying to look beyond that is crazy IMO.
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Didn't we finish 9-7 that season? You are right, we ARE completely different. For one, we had playmakers on defense back then.
I'm not saying that our team is the same as back then (I think we're a bit worse). What I'm saying is: the scenario is the same, essentially. We're a bottom-feeder team struggling to beat divisional opponents, and even though we're not mathematically eliminated, we're not making the playoffs. As much as I want us to, we're not. There's no way this team wins 5 of our next 6. We can't keep relying on missed game-winning FGs like we did against Zona.
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Woah seeing the bills in there gave me gooses..if only..
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See now, posts like this ruffle my feathers the most (I know its the day after thanksgiving, but I thought it was appropriate). You, so high and mighty like, say the Bills CANNOT, or just WONT make the playoffs. I call it the soothsayer's mentality. You can't say for sure what's going to happen, unless you have a crystal ball. If so, what's tmw's lottery numbers? You can't even come back and say, if the Bills lose the next two that you "told me so". I'm not saying the Bills will win out and make the playoffs but I'm not putting it out of the realm of possibility. I think they have a moderate chance to make it. I'm putting my support behind the Bills, and as a fan, you should to! The past has nothing to do with this game, one game at a time.
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I hear you. I do.
But IMHO the thing that makes you start to feel like winners, the thing that starts to give you belief in yourself ... is mostly just getting enough good players together, having them all get experience playing together in a system, and having the system fit their talents.
If you get those things happening, you start to win, and that creates belief. But belief isn't enough. You still have to have better players than the other guys. That Pittsburgh game, we had a winning attitude. But we simply didn't have the players.
I believe that if this rebuild is working, it'll still take us another year. Switching the defensive system set us back, big time.
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BUMP: to say a few words on the “After Thanksgiving” games on yesterday.
About being “perceived” as NOT a winner and how you come up on the short end of the stick, the Detroit Lions were the example with that play where the Texan was allowed a FREE TOUCHDOWN to keep running on a DEAD PLAY. And Lo and Behold, there was a RULE to justify losers losing (Detroit) where a play for 60 yards, where the runner was “OBVIOUSLY DOWN” kept the WINNERS, the Texans, in the game until the Texans could regain their footing to hold off the Lions for the win. That is WHY in order to have further SUCCESS this season, the Bills will have to keep the game out of the OFFICIALS HANDS. Why? The Bills are perceived as losers.
And in the New England Patriots and the New York Jets game, the New England Patriots showed that they do not intend to allow ANYBODY to get the shot that Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills “HAD” to put the Patriots away. The Patriots have thoroughly DEMOLISHED the Indianapolis Colts and the New York Jets, all because of RYAN FITZPATRICK. In addition to the New England Patriots KNOWING that they had better beat the EASY TEAMS (The Colts and the Jets) because the Houston Texans and the San Francisco 49ers MIGHT NOT be cake walks for the Patriots, so the Patriots had to PUNISH the Colts and the Jets to the best of their abilities and the Patriots DID A MASTERFUL JOB on both the Colts and the Jets. Now, “IF” Ryan Fitzpatrick had made that touchdown throw and won THAT game, the Patriots MIGHT would have fallen apart, but Ryan Fitzpatrick DIDN'T make that throw and the Colts and the Jets have PAID THE PRICE for that Ryan Fitzpatrick “SCARE” of the New England Patriots.
It is like in that 1st Bills Super Bowl loss on the MISSED FIELD GOAL kick where the New England Patriots coach was working for Coach Bill Parcells and he was able to ESCAPE with the win being a New York Giant. Had that kick been GOOD and the Bills won that Super Bowl; there most likely would not have been a Bill Belichick coaching to the LEVEL on par to Legendary NFL coach, Vince Lombardi in Boston. In other words, if you allow SOME FOLKS to defeat you in “CERTAIN GAMES”; they will go on to GREATNESS, while you languish in the RUINS OF DEFEAT trying to EXPLAIN how or why or WHAT IF and all of those type issues AFTER you have LOST. And I do BELIEVE that the Bills would have been more successful in subsequent Super Bowls “IF” they could have gotten that FIRST ONE into the win column. And is WHY the past does AFFECT the future or at least has a 90% CHANCE to do so, until it can be PROVED otherwise that the past DOESN'T affect the future.
Anyway, the Patriots won over the Jets and thus kept the PRESSURE on the Bills to continue to win in order for the Bills to have the “potential” chance to face the Patriots again, THIS YEAR. Also, did anybody else notice that the Patriots used the Bills coming back on the Houston Oilers that year in the Playoffs to JUSTIFY scoring 50 and 60 points on teams in FEAR that those teams could possibly come back and win like the BILLS did? I found it interesting that the BILLS are so close on the MIND of the Patriot's coach that he would make that statement to be broadcast to a national audience on Thanksgiving Day. Anyway, hopefully everybody had a wonderful THANKSGIVING to include THANKS that the Bills had a WIN behind them during Thanksgiving Week and didn't have to play on Thanksgiving Day, like the Patriots. Also, the next time the Bills play the Patriots, the Bills will have to go LOW on Wilfork to get him OUT OF THE WAY. Got to take his LEGS OUT. Otherwise, he kills the offense by killing the middle of the line of scrimmage.
Last edited by AlabamaWCH; 11-23-2012 at 11:24 AM.
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Agreed, I do NOT in fact know the future with 100% accuracy. But I can successfully say that a piano won't fall from the sky and hit me in the head. Granted, I don't KNOW the future with 100% certainty, but I do know that the previous scenario is so unlikely that I don't even need to consider it.
So yes, there is a POSSIBILITY that the Bills make the playoffs, but the odds of that happening are sooooo extremely low that I know it's not going to happen, even if we played out this scenario 1000 times (or, for nine seasons, if you will).
Admit it or not, the odds of us NOT going to the playoffs are greater than the odds of us making it there. And we're not making it to the playoffs. It's too unrealistic. We might not even win this Sunday
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Well, getting good players together and having them play together in a system and having the system fit their talents is all about COACHES. But, from my observation, the NFL is more about paying a guy cash and then telling him to go out there and win some games. That is the ONLY REASON that the general manager gets MORE CREDIT for winning teams than does the COACH, except in the few cases like with the New England Patriots.
And BETTER PLAYERS, in terms of TALENT is a function of COACHING and the ability of COACHES to "properly" motivate players to elevate their games to a higher level. And once a player GETS INJURED, 80% of the time that player is NEVER himself again. If you notice, the teams that win most often DO NOT have injury problems and when they do; those teams have players, many times, players that NOBODY has ever heard of, step up to replace the injured guys and the team keeps winning.
And like in New England Patriots case, you will NEVER convince me that the Patriots have the BEST PLAYERS. A Big, FAT KID, with GUT HANGING EVERYWHERE like Vincent Wilfork OR a marginal quarterback like Tommie Brady, as he was known when he came out of Michigan as a 6 Round Draft Pick, but who is a SHOE IN for the NFL Hall of Fame the instant he is eligible OR a kid like Wes Welker, weighing a Buck Fifty (160 lbs.) and is UNSTOPPABLE as a receiver and all of the other examples of the Patriots players is because of SUPERIOR “COACHING” in terms of COACHING “SCHEME” and calling the right plays at the RIGHT TIME. Predictability or better yet, SUCCESSFUL PREDICTABIILITY of what the New England Patriots are going to do in any given situation is the LAST THING you will ever see, unless the game is already won. In other words, the SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE of the New England Patriots DESIGN of plays both on offense and defense is what make their players so GREAT, rather than the players BEING BETTER. It was so bad with the New York Jets, that the Jets basically BEAT THEIR OWN SELVES from the PRESSURE of trying to figure out the GENIUS of the New England Patriots COACHING. If you further notice, NO PATRIOTS PLAYERS ever leave New England and go on to be a better player than they were while they were in NEW ENGLAND. That is a tribute to the coach there, Bill Billichick who KNOWS that he has SUPERIOR intellect over the guys that he coach against, even to the point that IF Bill Billichick doesn't shake the other coaches hand, that coach will go to bed that night feeling inadequate that Bellichick found something wrong with the coach that Bellichick would not shake his hand. While, Coughlin with the New York Giants can care less about Bellichick because apparently Coughlin has SOMETHING on Bellichick that the rest of the NFL league coaches doesn't. It's probably that Coughlin is NOT going to let a D-III guy defeat his team OR Coughlin is from the D-III team that defeated Bellichick's team back in his D-III days. But, I don't see the NFL allowing Belichick to rise to the level of Coach Vince Lombardi, NOT coming from D-III and THIS IS THE NFL, the top echelon of FOOTBALL, but D-III guys rule.
And about the changing of defense from 3-4 to 4-3 as a CAUSE for the lack of success for the Bills is the furtherest contributing factor to lack of success, since a good coach can CHANGE THE WHOLE DEFENSE in a matter of WEEKS if not change the entire defense in a WEEK. But, if you have a SUPERIOR MIND designing plays and calling plays that players CAN EXECUTE in real time, then it makes in hard on defenses. And it is going to get even worse on defensive coaches, since CONTACT is now being taken out of the game, when the FACT is for all of the concussions is that there are TOO MANY guys that should not be playing, simply because they are NOT the most PHYSICAL TO PLAY in a sport where a guy can make a MILLION DOLLARS.
Anyway, I said all of that to say: Good Coaches CREATE TALENT! And good talent with a superior mind in charge is hard to defeat and is why the New England Patriots HAVE RULED the Buffalo Bills for so many years. And is why the Patriots KNOW that if they can get past the Bills; they KNOW the Bills will LOSE to the other teams and self destruct. But, I BELIEVE that is not going to be the case for the New England Patriots, THIS YEAR. I'm looking for the Patriots to fold under the "PRESSURE".
Last edited by AlabamaWCH; 11-23-2012 at 01:12 PM.
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Goes both ways, what about Seatle beating GB on a call from the refs that it was a TD? Most people would say GB is the better team with a winning attitude.
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Marcel, Kyle Williams, and Mario Williams in for the sack. Its a ham sandwich!!!!
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I don't understand the point you are making here. The Green Bay Packers with Aaron Rogers “ARE” perceived to be winners. So, when the Green Bay Packers lost to the Seattle Seahawks, on a REPLACEMENT REF'S “CALL” that decided the terminal outcome of the game, there MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG with the officials making those type calls. Plus, it was an EXCUSE to end the refs strike and use THAT CALL in the end zone to say that the replacement refs were over their heads. When the TRUTH is that the game was a MUCH BETTER GAME with the replacement refs calling the game, when the ONLY THING the replacement refs were doing were TRYING to make the correct calls, REGARDLESS OF “WHO” was involved in the situation. Just look around at the New Orleans Saints, the New England Patriots, the Denver Broncos with Peyton Manning, the Green Bay Packers and how all of those perceived to be winning teams started back winning and the NORMAL LOSING TEAMS have become the NORMAL LOSING TEAMS, sometimes, with the officials call being MORE IMPORTANT in deciding the game than ANY PLAYER'S contribution to the outcome of the game. In the Detroit Lions game, there is NO WAY the guy gets that TOUCHDOWN and 15 replacements refs don't see that the guy was down. And IF there was some rule broken, the replacement refs would have erred on the side of COMMON SENSE in that case, where the play SHOULD HAVE BEEN blown dead, rather than allow the play to continue, to NOT BE REVIEWED. Or in the first game the replacement refs were gone, the Baltimore Ravens practically decapitated the Cleveland Browns guy with a BLATANT head to head shot by TWO RAVENS and nobody calling the game saw the hit to drop a penalty flag. And then watching, in some games when the ball hits the ground it it good. In others, when the ball hits the ground, it is bad. But, the ONE CONSTANT is that “IF” you are perceived to be a losing team; you DO NOT GET the benefit of the doubts, period. Even the Dallas Cowboys should have lost last week, but a less losing Cowboys team SOLD BETTER on Thanksgiving Day playing the Washington Redskins, than a Cowboys team that had LOST last week and had a worst record and made it look like TWO LOSING TEAMS would be playing on Thanksgiving. That is probably part of the reason the Cowboys played so POORLY. The Cowboys KNEW they lost on Sunday and had a CONSCIENCE. The New England Patriots on the other hand have no conscience, if you need a conscience that takes a WIN from them and, “IN FACT” the New England Patriots LOOK TO THE REFS for help as part of their PLAN to winning. It is part of being named a “PATRIOT” as a team, I think and believe.
Anyway, the Bills will have to win, PLUS, “GIVE UP” two or three critical calls affecting the outcome of the game, depending on who they are playing when the WINNING teams is a competitor. Similar to the 14 PENALTIES called against the Bills in New England, but the Bills kept PRESSING FORWARD, basically IGNORING THE OFFICIALS. The NFL likes PREDICTABILITY and HATES the unpredictability of any team beating any other team on any given day. At least it is that way, ONCE the pecking order toward the Playoffs is set. It is just fact that the winning teams have an easier path in cases where the refs CALLS can affect the outcome of the game. It would be good faith gesture to FINE the officials like the players and coaches when they SCREW UP games with blown calls or blown NO CALLS.
So, I just don't understand what you are saying in the point you are trying to make in regard to what I said in that post. Not when the regular officials are back in charge of REGULATING the games. Anyway, I will say again: The Bills have to KEEP THE OFFICIALS OUT OF THE GAMES or continue to be the losing Bills. That is just the way it is. It is unfortunate, on the LOSING side.
Last edited by AlabamaWCH; 11-23-2012 at 02:51 PM.
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There was a point in your argument where you were insinuating that winning teams get the calls, and that the NFL probably has something to do with it. My point is, all winning teams don't get all the calls. You make it seem like a conspiracy is out there against losing teams. However, all these "winning" teams were at one point losers and had to emerge to be where they are today. That includes the Pats who sucked most of the 90s.
We're getting off topic here, there is no connection between the past teams and this team. New coaching staff, new players, new everything from 2004. 2004 or any other game for that matter, even the recent past, does not matter. What does matter is the Colts. Lets beat them.
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