Most Overrated Bills Player

[Charging Buffalo]

you put too much emphasis on stats. stevie is a talented go to "#1" wr. Im suprised his stats are even as good as they are considering the Bills have incompetent QB play.

[goalpucks]

I voted other. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is the most overrated Bills player. I say this because there are still people out there that defend his skill set.

[jayryp80]

Steve Johnson

Yes back to back 1000 yard seasons but 1000 yards seasons aren't rare anymore - this isn't the 80's or even the 90's. 19 receivers had 1000+ last year and 17 the year before.

2010 - 3 games of 100+yards only 1 multiple TD game - 8 games of less than 50 yards and 9 without a TD
2011 - 1 game of 100+ yards and no multiple TD games - 6 games of 50 yards or less and 9 without a TD
2012 - 1 game of 100+ yards and no multiple TD games - 3 games of 50 yards or less and 7 games without a TD



Over basically 3 seasons - 43 games only 5 of 100+ and 3 multiple TD games? Does that sound like # 1 receiver?

That's 100% Fitzpatrick and you know it.

[54 spielman]

Steve Johnson

Yes back to back 1000 yard seasons but 1000 yards seasons aren't rare anymore - this isn't the 80's or even the 90's. 19 receivers had 1000+ last year and 17 the year before.

2010 - 3 games of 100+yards only 1 multiple TD game - 8 games of less than 50 yards and 9 without a TD
2011 - 1 game of 100+ yards and no multiple TD games - 6 games of 50 yards or less and 9 without a TD
2012 - 1 game of 100+ yards and no multiple TD games - 3 games of 50 yards or less and 7 games without a TD



Over basically 3 seasons - 43 games only 5 of 100+ and 3 multiple TD games? Does that sound like # 1 receiver?

Yeah, too bad Lee Evans (a true #1 WR) isn't here anymore, but watcha gonna do, aye Fla?

[letsgobuffalo]

I voted for "Other" for this thread. A lot of people think this is a good discussion, but really it just sucks and fails to produce any positive yardage.

[PA_Billsfan]

lyndell

[FlaFitz]

How did I know you'd show up in this thread to discredit Stevie...

Those are just the facts - if you see it as discrediting him well........


Would love to have a true #1 - a guy who is open when not open, runs great routes and doesn't get caught from behind, Johnson as the #2, Nelson in the slot and Jones, who is better than he gets credit for and an outstanding downfield blocker as the fourth guy.


Keenan Allen anyone?

[giarmyjoe]

Those are just the facts - if you see it as discrediting him well........


Would love to have a true #1 - a guy who is open when not open, runs great routes and doesn't get caught from behind, Johnson as the #2, Nelson in the slot and Jones, who is better than he gets credit for and an outstanding downfield blocker as the fourth guy.


Keenan Allen anyone?

And who is gonna throw to Allen? Can Allen catch balls 5 feet over his head or passes aimed at his feet?

[FlaFitz]

That's 100% Fitzpatrick and you know it.

Yeah - it's all on Fitz. Sure


I love the Steve Johnson bootlickers who give him way more credit than he desreves and think he's great - he's an average starter - while blasting Fitz and blame him way more than he deserves - He's an average starter too.


Just wondering - how is it larry Fitz does so well with QBs not better than Fitz? That Regggie Wayne is having a career year witha rookie that is in the bottom qtr of most significact QB categories? That Vincent Jackson got better with a lesser QB? That Brian Hartline and Devon Bess - yes Brian Hartline and Devon Bess are out performing Johnson with a rookie QB that hasn't played as well as Fitz? Oh and there are others too - heck Cecil Shorts!!


Sorry but a true #1 still makes plays and all of those guys are while Johnson isn't - but hey that's all Fitz's fault - not that he's overrated by Bills fans.

[PABillsFan23]

Barnett.. hes been terrible

[Chris]

Fitzpatrick

[Bill Brasky]

Those are just the facts - if you see it as discrediting him well........


Would love to have a true #1 - a guy who is open when not open, runs great routes and doesn't get caught from behind, Johnson as the #2, Nelson in the slot and Jones, who is better than he gets credit for and an outstanding downfield blocker as the fourth guy.


Keenan Allen anyone?

yawn...

[FlaFitz]

And who is gonna throw to Allen? Can Allen catch balls 5 feet over his head or passes aimed at his feet?

Yes and if HE were here, he'd consume opposing defenses with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.


There are plenty of catchable balls that are being missed and the fact that he is faster, bigger, has better leaping ability, been keyed on by the best in the PAC-10 plus runs great routes I think he could excel where Johnson hasn't even with Fitz.

[TheRealDeal]

I think you guys are off the mark on Barnett...he's leading the team in tackles with 75, is second in TFLs with 5 (at least 1 has been on third and short) , and forced two fumbles. He is by far the best LB we have, which is not saying that much but still. George Wilson has fallen off the map from last year. He was slightly above average last year but now is well below-average. I have a feeling he's only going to get worse.

Now if you would asked who was the most over-rated before the bye week then I would've said Dareus, however, he has stepped up the last few games and put some solid performances together. I think his fitness level wasn't good coming into this season and then add in the death of his brother all contributed to the slow start. Hopefully he keeps it going.

[giarmyjoe]

Yeah - it's all on Fitz. Sure


I love the Steve Johnson bootlickers who give him way more credit than he desreves and think he's great - he's an average starter - while blasting Fitz and blame him way more than he deserves - He's an average starter too.


Just wondering - how is it larry Fitz does so well with QBs not better than Fitz? That Regggie Wayne is having a career year witha rookie that is in the bottom qtr of most significact QB categories? That Vincent Jackson got better with a lesser QB? That Brian Hartline and Devon Bess - yes Brian Hartline and Devon Bess are out performing Johnson with a rookie QB that hasn't played as well as Fitz? Oh and there are others too - heck Cecil Shorts!!


Sorry but a true #1 still makes plays and all of those guys are while Johnson isn't - but hey that's all Fitz's fault - not that he's overrated by Bills fans.

Stevie an Fitzgerald have near identical numbers...so Fitzgerald isn't a number one wr?

[jayryp80]

Yeah - it's all on Fitz. Sure


I love the Steve Johnson bootlickers who give him way more credit than he desreves and think he's great - he's an average starter - while blasting Fitz and blame him way more than he deserves - He's an average starter too.


Just wondering - how is it larry Fitz does so well with QBs not better than Fitz? That Regggie Wayne is having a career year witha rookie that is in the bottom qtr of most significact QB categories? That Vincent Jackson got better with a lesser QB? That Brian Hartline and Devon Bess - yes Brian Hartline and Devon Bess are out performing Johnson with a rookie QB that hasn't played as well as Fitz? Oh and there are others too - heck Cecil Shorts!!


Sorry but a true #1 still makes plays and all of those guys are while Johnson isn't - but hey that's all Fitz's fault - not that he's overrated by Bills fans.

It's all Fitz and you know it.

[FlaFitz]

Stevie an Fitzgerald have near identical numbers...so Fitzgerald isn't a number one wr?

Of course he is - he's provided it consistently over years.

That being said picking his worst season since his rookie season, maybe his worse in the NFL when all is said and done, as an example of Johnson being great and a true #1.....

[TheElectricCompany]

Steve Johnson

Yes back to back 1000 yard seasons but 1000 yards seasons aren't rare anymore - this isn't the 80's or even the 90's. 19 receivers had 1000+ last year and 17 the year before.

2010 - 3 games of 100+yards only 1 multiple TD game - 8 games of less than 50 yards and 9 without a TD
2011 - 1 game of 100+ yards and no multiple TD games - 6 games of 50 yards or less and 9 without a TD
2012 - 1 game of 100+ yards and no multiple TD games - 3 games of 50 yards or less and 7 games without a TD

Over basically 3 seasons - 43 games only 5 of 100+ and 3 multiple TD games? Does that sound like # 1 receiver?

Who cares what his title is? Does it matter if he’s considered a #1 or #2? What difference does it make?

Stevie is reliable. A guy you can count on for 1000-1200 yards a season and 6-10 TDs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Could we use another receiver with vertical speed, like AJ Green? Sure, but let’s not take away from what he can bring to the table, and that’s steady and reliable production.

[BillsFan]

Marc Anderson.

[jcmccall]

I would expect more from Barnett than George Wilson. Personally I think Nick is losing a step.

Barnett has falling down a flight of steps is as far as his game has fallen off.