I hope we lose out for Todd Blackledge!

**transplantbillsfan** · 12-07-2012, 02:31 AM

Name ring a bell? It should... he was one of 6 QBs drafted in the first round of the most famous draft class ever of 1983. In fact, he was the 2nd QB drafted at #7 by the Kansas City Chiefs; drafted before 3 other QBs who went to a combined 6 Super Bowls (and won none of them... unfortunately).

Draft order for 1983 went... #1 John Elway, #7 Todd Blackledge, #14 Jim Kelly #15 Rich Eason, #24 Ken Obrien, #27 Dan Marino. It's worthy noting that John Elway was drafted by the Baltimore Colts, not the Denver Broncos.

Everyone wishing for a losing season... give it a rest. OBD needs to draft a QB, ideally in the first round, maybe the 2nd. It's a crap shoot if you get a very good QB in any draft and a prayer if you get an elite one. Dan Marino was the last QB drafted in that 1st round and (as much as I really really really hate saying this) he was the best pure QB of the bunch. Before Elway's spectacular end to his career (the 2 Super Bowls are undeniable, even if Shanny figured out what Chan can't and just pounded the rock for the most part), most people would probably have put him #3 behind Marino AND Kelly.

We need to win and let the chips fall where they may. I actually think we have a good front office together with Nix and Whaley; notice all the guys we've picked up lately have been former Pittsburgh draft choices? I want a QB, but with our drafting history, whoever we draft in the first round at whatever spot could be a bust. Nix's draft picks seem to be coming around as of late, but I don't want to move up another few draft spots for Todd Blackledge when we could manage to sneak into the playoffs, win a game, and STILL draft at #27 to pick up Dan Marino *bleh* ... sorry I just threw up in my mouth a little saying that name.

GO BILLS!!!

**AWorldOfPain** · 12-07-2012, 02:41 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this draft class won't even come close to the 83 draft class.

**transplantbillsfan** · 12-07-2012, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by AWorldOfPain

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this draft class won't even come close to the 83 draft class.

And...? The best QB in likely the greatest draft class in history was the 6th QB drafted, at #27. Was I comparing that draft class to the 2013 draft class? You seemed to miss the point.

**Thurman#1** · 12-07-2012, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by transplantbillsfan

Name ring a bell? It should... he was one of 6 QBs drafted in the first round of the most famous draft class ever of 1983. In fact, he was the 2nd QB drafted at #7 by the Kansas City Chiefs; drafted before 3 other QBs who went to a combined 6 Super Bowls (and won none of them... unfortunately).

Draft order for 1983 went... #1 John Elway, #7 Todd Blackledge, #14 Jim Kelly #15 Rich Eason, #24 Ken Obrien, #27 Dan Marino. It's worthy noting that John Elway was drafted by the Baltimore Colts, not the Denver Broncos.

So, what you're saying is - see if I got this right - it wouldn't have been a good idea to lose out because out of the six QBs drafted in the first round that year, only three made the Hall of Fame, and those odds aren't high enough for you?

Seriously?

The team should never try to lose out - duh! - but fans hoping to lose out for a 50% shot at a Hall of Famer, that makes total sense.

**Thurman#1** · 12-07-2012, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by transplantbillsfan

And...? The best QB in likely the greatest draft class in history was the 6th QB drafted, at #27. Was I comparing that draft class to the 2013 draft class? You seemed to miss the point.

Perhaps you didn't put it very well. More likely from the evidence you presented, the opposite view makes more sense than yours does.

**transplantbillsfan** · 12-07-2012, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Thurman#1

So, what you're saying is - see if I got this right - it wouldn't have been a good idea to lose out because out of the six QBs drafted in the first round that year, only three made the Hall of Fame, and those odds aren't high enough for you?

No... I'm saying that the best QB in that draft class was drafted last in the 1st round, to a playoff team. The 2nd best QB in the draft class was drafted by a team that found him so important that they traded him. And the 3rd best QB in that draft class wasn't even deemed worthy of their first pick.

Losing out is not the answer (glad you agree with that, at least) since elite QBs are so hit or miss and can be had later in the first round.

**transplantbillsfan** · 12-07-2012, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Thurman#1

Perhaps you didn't put it very well. More likely from the evidence you presented, the opposite view makes more sense than yours does.

Nope. As far as I know wherever we fall at the end of this year, playoffs or 5-11, we'll still be drafting somewhere in the first round... so I actually think the argument makes perfect sense.

**Nishua** · 12-07-2012, 03:29 AM

I hope one day intelligence greets you.

**superbowl** · 12-07-2012, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Nishua

I hope one day intelligence greets you.

LMAO that was a good slam

**Joe Fan** · 12-07-2012, 06:09 AM

I think the original poster really means we should trade all of early round picks in an attempt to corner the market on sixth round picks, because that is the round Tom Brady went in. By the OP's single data point logic, Tom Brady going in the 6th proves that 6th round QB's have the same potential to be a Hall of Famer' as early first round QB's.

It will be complicated, but I think if the Bills trade their first round back to some for a first and second, and then trade that first for a second and third and the second for a third and fourth, it will only take 5 transactions (2 ^ 5) to get all thirty two round 6th round picks. Then we just pick every remaining QB in the draft and test them out in spring training. We repeat this process each year until we get the next Tom Brady.

**williampjohn** · 12-07-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by jrb16915

I think the original poster really means we should trade all of early round picks in an attempt to corner the market on sixth round picks, because that is the round Tom Brady went in. By the OP's single data point logic, Tom Brady going in the 6th proves that 6th round QB's have the same potential to be a Hall of Famer' as early first round QB's.

It will be complicated, but I think if the Bills trade their first round back to some for a first and second, and then trade that first for a second and third and the second for a third and fourth, it will only take 5 transactions (2 ^ 5) to get all thirty two round 6th round picks. Then we just pick every remaining QB in the draft and test them out in spring training. We repeat this process each year until we get the next Tom Brady.

Wow the doom and gloom party trying to make a funny post because the meaning of the original post completely flew over their head.

**Wheelspin911** · 12-07-2012, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by transplantbillsfan

Name ring a bell? It should... he was one of 6 QBs drafted in the first round of the most famous draft class ever of 1983. In fact, he was the 2nd QB drafted at #7 by the Kansas City Chiefs; drafted before 3 other QBs who went to a combined 6 Super Bowls (and won none of them... unfortunately).

Draft order for 1983 went... #1 John Elway, #7 Todd Blackledge, #14 Jim Kelly #15 Rich Eason, #24 Ken Obrien, #27 Dan Marino. It's worthy noting that John Elway was drafted by the Baltimore Colts, not the Denver Broncos.

Everyone wishing for a losing season... give it a rest. OBD needs to draft a QB, ideally in the first round, maybe the 2nd. It's a crap shoot if you get a very good QB in any draft and a prayer if you get an elite one. Dan Marino was the last QB drafted in that 1st round and (as much as I really really really hate saying this) he was the best pure QB of the bunch. Before Elway's spectacular end to his career (the 2 Super Bowls are undeniable, even if Shanny figured out what Chan can't and just pounded the rock for the most part), most people would probably have put him #3 behind Marino AND Kelly.

We need to win and let the chips fall where they may. I actually think we have a good front office together with Nix and Whaley; notice all the guys we've picked up lately have been former Pittsburgh draft choices? I want a QB, but with our drafting history, whoever we draft in the first round at whatever spot could be a bust. Nix's draft picks seem to be coming around as of late, but I don't want to move up another few draft spots for Todd Blackledge when we could manage to sneak into the playoffs, win a game, and STILL draft at #27 to pick up Dan Marino *bleh* ... sorry I just threw up in my mouth a little saying that name.

GO BILLS!!!

Don't worry son, I got your back. I see the point of your post. Talent at the QB position can be had anywhere. Hoping to lose out to have a chance at Geno Smith or Matt Barkley is potentially a waste of hope. Someone like Nassib or Dysert has just as much chance at being an elite QB, and they could be had in the 2nd round or later.
I think BBMB members are piling up on you because the odds of an elite QB are much higher in the first 10 picks or so than in later picks. I don't know the stats precisely, if I ever have time I may compile them. Briefly, of the top 10 (only because I don't have time to look further) by QB rating currently on NFL.com stats line:
Rodgers - mid 1st
RGIII - 2nd overall
Alex Smith - 1st overall
P. Manning - 1st overall
Brady - 6th
Roethlisberger - mid 1st
Wilson - 2nd
Ryan - mid 1st
Schaub - 3rd
Brees - early 2nd
Not necessarily the best QBs in the league, but at least by this stat, early to mid-1sts seem to have more representation. So we all have good points!
Now let's play nice because we have enough issues in our football lives as Bills fans.

**Bob Fraples** · 12-07-2012, 07:45 AM

Every AFC East team drafted a QB in the 1st round that year.

**Clemfield2622** · 12-07-2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Wheelspin911

Rodgers - mid 1st (24th)
RGIII - 2nd overall
Alex Smith - 1st overall
P. Manning - 1st overall
Brady - 6th round
Roethlisberger - mid 1st
Wilson - 2nd (Actually 3rd round)
Ryan - mid 1st (Actually 2nd overall)
Schaub - 3rd
Brees - early 2nd
Not necessarily the best QBs in the league, but at least by this stat, early to mid-1sts seem to have more representation.

made some fixes for ya

**Wheelspin911** · 12-07-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Clemfield2622

made some fixes for ya

Thanks. They were all done from memory...

**stuvian** · 12-07-2012, 07:48 AM

who can forget the great Rich Eason

**Clemfield2622** · 12-07-2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by stuvian

who can forget the great Rich Eason

hahah didnt catch that the first time.....who the heck is Rich Eason? Is he confused with Rich Eisen?

**stuvian** · 12-07-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Clemfield2622

hahah didnt catch that the first time.....who the heck is Rich Eason? Is he confused with Rich Eisen?

I think he meant Tony Eason

**HiddenInLight** · 12-07-2012, 08:06 AM

The QBs this year are hard to judge anyways. The top two have such high bust potential....no sure things this year.

**FloridaGatorsBuffaloBills** · 12-07-2012, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Thurman#1

So, what you're saying is - see if I got this right - it wouldn't have been a good idea to lose out because out of the six QBs drafted in the first round that year, only three made the Hall of Fame, and those odds aren't high enough for you?

Seriously?

The team should never try to lose out - duh! - but fans hoping to lose out for a 50% shot at a Hall of Famer, that makes total sense.

Uh, the only one who missed this point is you. Imagine that.

What he is saying is that people want us to lose out because they think the only good quarterbacks come within the first 5-10 picks of the first round, which isn't true. He's saying that Dan Marino was taken late in the first round and Miami got their franchise guy for 15 years and they didn't lose out. There have been other drafts in the past where teams have taken a quarterback late in the first round and he's turned out to be pretty **** good. So people who want us to lose out just so we can grab a "franchise" quarterback need to understand that they don't just come early in the draft.

Get it now, sweetie?

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