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    Quote Originally Posted by Jm2009 View Post
    well, he's 7-6, not 5-8, and Fitz's YPA is at the bottom of the league, so it might be a wash with Fraizer being a little better.
    He's 7-6 but his season this year is a frightening mirror to Gailey's season last year. It wouldn't surprise me if the Bills and Vikes both finish 7-9 TBH.
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    The team is as bad as ever. We need a Coach and a QB. No other thing will fix us.
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    Chris agree.. But the gm picked the coach and signed the qb. And he should be retired. There is a reason why buddy wasn't a gm before. Because their wasn't 91 yr old owners looking for a 70 yr old gm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learn football View Post
    Chris agree.. But the gm picked the coach and signed the qb. And he should be retired. There is a reason why buddy wasn't a gm before. Because their wasn't 91 yr old owners looking for a 70 yr old gm
    This is correct. Its not that complicated. Good GM's hire good coaches, don't spend two drafts trying to fill out a 3-4 defense, only to switch in the third year, all the while avoiding improving the starting or backup QB positions. They are also usually better synched up than using a #1 overall pick on an RB, whom his head coach only wants to give 7 touches too in games during his third season.
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    2013 - Smart posters are warning everyone else another year of brandon/nix is a waste of a year. Next year we will all know.

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    why is it so obvious that the team is so much better?

    They hardly ever win a game. They lose two for every one win. How good can they be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Learn football View Post
    We are better,we have had a weak schedule,against weak quarterbacks and we are 5 in 8. People stop trying to make something up that is not their. We are 6 in 16 in our last 22. Stop

    The last 22 games shouldn't be looked at as one group. Just the opposite. If you want to look at groups of games, how about this crazy idea ... go season by season.

    4 wins
    6 wins
    anywhere between 5 and 8 wins

    We'll see if we're better. The defense is absolutely improved, the OL looked like it's been consistently improving till the injuries. We've still got Fitz, though. That's a major problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learn football View Post
    Chris agree.. But the gm picked the coach and signed the qb. And he should be retired. There is a reason why buddy wasn't a gm before. Because their wasn't 91 yr old owners looking for a 70 yr old gm

    Nix did both, he signed the coach and signed the QB.

    Signing the QB was a good move. No doubt about it. I certainly would have liked to see him draft somebody else also, but giving a QB who's around the 21st best QB in the league around the 19th highest contract in the league was a not a problem. The contract was arranged to make it easy to dump Fitz at any time. It wasn't a bad deal. Would've loved to see him draft a possible replacement, as I said, and that's a move I didn't like.

    Picking the coach may or may not have been a good move. Still too early to say.

    I know nobody likes to hear that. But no coach was going to win much this year with Fitz at QB and a defense confused through the first half of the season as they learned the new scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Matrix View Post
    David Carr too. Tim Couch. All highly regarded. All drafted by teams with zero talent around them. All unable to do it themselves.

    The core was there for Big Ben. It was there for Brady. It was there for Rivers. The only great QB that was drafted by a team in shambles, with any success, off the top of my head is Peyton. There are probably more, but it's certainly far from normal.

    Joe Montana.
    Terry Bradshaw.
    Troy Aikman.
    Jim Kelly.

    And lots and lots more.

    That is in fact the traditional blueprint for a rebuild, you draft your QB as your first draft pick, partly because you want to give him time to develop as the team does, partly because it takes QBs three years or so to develop generally, so by the time your team is hitting on all cylinders the QB will be ready to rock, and partly because if the team gradually improves, you'll have less and less of a shot at the top QB in the draft as the team goes from 4 wins to 6 wins to 7 or more.

    This is the major problem I have with how they've built this team. The way I excuse it is the thought that they just didn't think the odds were good enough on guys like Kaepernick, Dalton, etc. But even so, I'd still like them to have taken the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIESEL-USMC View Post
    Right....most of the time, when you toss them to the wolves, your destroy their ability to adjust to the NFL....

    Disagree. That's a radical generalization. Plenty of good QBs have succeeded even when the rest of the team kinda sucked, most recently Andrew Luck, but there are constant examples. Those guys above, Couch and Clausen might have been destroyed by being thrown in the fire, but I get the feeling that they were never going to be very good. I agree on Carr, though. He was pounded into hamburger, but it took five years of it to destroy him. If they'd started building an OL the same year they drafted him, he might have really been a good one.


    Quote Originally Posted by DIESEL-USMC View Post
    QB is the hardest position to draft. It can be the greatest thing, or another waste of time.

    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learn football View Post
    Then why didn't the great gm, call St. Louis and offer 3 first rounders for rg3. ..aaron may bin,leodis mckelvin,donte Whitner stephon Gilmore,Marcel darrius are 5 of the last 6 1st rounders. I would trade all five for rg3

    We were drafting tenth. There were 6 or 7 blue chip prospects. We had a great deal less ammunition than the Skins did. At our level it might have taken four or five firsts to make that trade. And when you offer that much you're essentially destroying the team's future for 6 or 7 years.

    Our last three firsts - the ones in this GM's administration - were Dareus, Gilmore, and CJ. Would you give up them and one or two more players like them? I wouldn't.

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    Hey! Yeah, man. They're a little better. Since the bye week they've played better. However, the end results are the same, and that's a reflection of the head coach and the QB. No matter how they try spin it or twist it. This team should be in the playoffs this year. They blew 3 games that would've put them in the playoffs as of tonight. Games vs the Titans, Rams, and @ Patriots, if those are wins and they should've been wins, they'd be sitting pretty tonight. I just wonder how'd the season of went if they'd of handed the Patriots their 3rd straight loss, and took the division lead back in late September. Again, they blew it leading 21-7. I just see the head coach as the biggest problem right now. Fitzpatrick is who he is, and the coach tries to make him into some elite passer, and he's just not that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Learn football View Post
    We are better,we have had a weak schedule,against weak quarterbacks and we are 5 in 8. People stop trying to make something up that is not their. We are 6 in 16 in our last 22. Stop
    That's not because of the talent of the players, which is WAY better than it was 3 years ago; It's because of the lack of talent of the coach and QB. I don't get where people are coming from. Over-Analysis? Every team has a few holes to fill, lie we do at LB, WR, et al, but the truth is, the only REAL needs are QB and coach. That's it. QB and coach. Say it over and over in your minds

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurman#1 View Post
    But no coach was going to win much this year with Fitz at QB and a defense confused through the first half of the season as they learned the new scheme.
    Wrong. Any coach worth a d**m would not be limiting CJ; Would not think Thigpen is an adequate.... umm, football player (Because no way he can be called a QB); Would know how to manage a clock; Would be aggressive on 50 yrd FG's; would not punt form the 34; WOuld have abandoned the Wildcat before it was ever ran.......etc, etc, etc....

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