Final 4 versus Nix drafts

[racketmaster]

Instead of just making the same argument, blaming Gailey for this mess. Why don't you tell me why all the negatives listed above during Buddy's tenure were really positive moves. I have listed some positives as well, maybe you believers could add to the list rather than just make cheap remarks.

[racketmaster]

1. There were not many coaches to choose from. Chan came with a decent resume
2. He is not going to openly dog his coach during the season. Chan himself said he got the call a few times, during the season, to do a better job. What did you expect?
3. At the time of the signing Fitz was a top 5 QB in the league and the team was 5-2, beating the Pats which hadnt been done in forever. It was not a big contract. It was bottom of the league for starting QB and he left a lot of loopholes in it to get out of it. Smart IMO. If Fitz finished the season the way he started he would have gotten alot more.
4. Too early to tell. Not many teams get any late round draft gems either.
5. Everyone misses on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round players, you looked at only 4 teams... which was my complaint of the thread. Next time research them all.. season for season... not 2008 vrs 2010.
6. Dareus regressed but in year one was one of the best. Lets see how he does next year. Remember these guys changed from 3-4 to 4-3 had different coaches and Dave was a bum with a vanilla **** scheme. His brother also had his head blown off. Spiller was one of the most explosive offenses players in the league last year. Chan utilized him poorly. He was the knock out of the park that you claim doesnt exist. Gilmore was one of the best CBs last year, was a rookie in a **** scheme playing against number 1 recievers all year. He got burned maybe once or twice a game and got little help from safeties.
7. How were we to move up the board? With all the holes on the team, where were our bargaining chips to do so? We were not in position to move up or down. You talk about the pats... they get their picks from trading off washed up players for over priced returns.
8. True... but this was mostly due to Chan. He tried to get Chan some QBs and Chan didnt want them.
9. We were lucky to get a 4th. RBs dont tend to bring in high picks... especially ones with off the field issues and 1 issue away from being out of football.
10. Nothing wrong with the TJax signing it cost us a mediocre pick and Chan was an asshat.
11. Yup Chans record. Are you going to say our roster has no talent?

Watt and the rest probably would have done no better here either. The signing was a huge change in culture for buffalo. If you want a big signing... thats the kind of money it takes to get him here. Noone *****ed about it preseason did they? No, everyone was ecstatic and couldnt believe we got the deal done. He would have been bashed hard if it didnt get done. You cant have it both ways.

I did not see this. While I disagree with your assessment on most points, I do appreciate that you have a take and some reasons behind it.

[Scott7975]

I did not see this. While I disagree with your assessment on most points, I do appreciate that you have a take and some reasons behind it.

For the record, Im not blaiming everything on Chan. Nix has his role in it too. Im just saying that a big part of the reason for Fitz was because of Chan. You have to see context. Evaluate what happend as an outsider and not as a die hard fan that only sees 13 seasons of a bad record. Chan says, I can win with Fitz. Fitz goes 5-2 ranking in the top 5 of Qbs while beating some hot teams of that time in the Pats, Oak, and Philly. The offense was on fire and Fitz was leading that charge. He was the starting QB making a very miniscule amount of money from being a backup.

A. He needed to make starting money as he was a starter.
B. He was very hot at the time for reasons listed above.
C. The contract is in the bottom 20 of the league so while you think it is a BIG contract. For a QB, it really isnt. In fact, he statistically played above his pay grade.
D. They left alot of loop holes to get out of said contract. Which is pretty **** smart if you ask me
E. If they waited until after the season and he finished the season like he started his contract would have been alot more then what he got.
F. There were a ton of injuries that happend during the fall off. Its pretty easy to believe that played a part in the fall.

Now if you take all that into consideration, it really wasnt so bad on Nix part. We are just looking at the end result that we only expected to happen because we have been bad for 13 seasons and his name doesnt say Brady on the back.

I say you cant put everything on Nix, because Nix has signed some talented players here. He has resigned our talented players thus far. He has doing what needs to be done to fill the holes on this team and I believe he has done a fair job of doing so. If Dave Wanstadt couldnt get any defense out of them, thats on coaching and not on Nix. If Chan doesnt utilize Spiller to his potential or any other player to his potential and calls a poor game and cant prepare his players then thats on Chan not on Nix. The Chan hiring is on Nix but who could we have had so much better at the time? Chan had a decent resume comming in. Gruden and Cowher were a Bills fans pipe dream and nothing more.

He gave him a chance. It didnt work out. He got fired. You want to speculate that Nix didnt fire him but the bottom line is it is still speculation and nothing more. Nix cannot and will not dog his coach in the middle of a season. Thats unproffesional. You and others have no idea of what goes on behind the curtain.

[racketmaster]

For the record, Im not blaiming everything on Chan. Nix has his role in it too. Im just saying that a big part of the reason for Fitz was because of Chan. You have to see context. Evaluate what happend as an outsider and not as a die hard fan that only sees 13 seasons of a bad record. Chan says, I can win with Fitz. Fitz goes 5-2 ranking in the top 5 of Qbs while beating some hot teams of that time in the Pats, Oak, and Philly. The offense was on fire and Fitz was leading that charge. He was the starting QB making a very miniscule amount of money from being a backup.

A. He needed to make starting money as he was a starter.
B. He was very hot at the time for reasons listed above.
C. The contract is in the bottom 20 of the league so while you think it is a BIG contract. For a QB, it really isnt. In fact, he statistically played above his pay grade.
D. They left alot of loop holes to get out of said contract. Which is pretty **** smart if you ask me
E. If they waited until after the season and he finished the season like he started his contract would have been alot more then what he got.
F. There were a ton of injuries that happend during the fall off. Its pretty easy to believe that played a part in the fall.

Now if you take all that into consideration, it really wasnt so bad on Nix part. We are just looking at the end result that we only expected to happen because we have been bad for 13 seasons and his name doesnt say Brady on the back.

I say you cant put everything on Nix, because Nix has signed some talented players here. He has resigned our talented players thus far. He has doing what needs to be done to fill the holes on this team and I believe he has done a fair job of doing so. If Dave Wanstadt couldnt get any defense out of them, thats on coaching and not on Nix. If Chan doesnt utilize Spiller to his potential or any other player to his potential and calls a poor game and cant prepare his players then thats on Chan not on Nix. The Chan hiring is on Nix but who could we have had so much better at the time? Chan had a decent resume comming in. Gruden and Cowher were a Bills fans pipe dream and nothing more.

He gave him a chance. It didnt work out. He got fired. You want to speculate that Nix didnt fire him but the bottom line is it is still speculation and nothing more. Nix cannot and will not dog his coach in the middle of a season. Thats unproffesional. You and others have no idea of what goes on behind the curtain.

There is a lot in here, I guess I'll start with the Fitz contract. If we could go back in time, I don't think there is a Bills fan out there that would sign Fitz to the contract again. Now hindsight is 20/20, I realize that. But it turned out to be a not so good move and may have prevented us from drafting a qb like Kap or Wilson or even Cousins. This whole thing was meant as a review of Nix and his tenure and we should look at the end results. It has been not just one move but a series of bad moves such as the hiring of Gailey, Fitz contract, Brad Smith signing, TJax signing, Merriman signing, passing on qbs in the draft etc. There are more moves discussed above. Now, I realize not everything has gone right, but too many things have not worked out. I may have supported many of the moves but I am not the GM and I won't lose my job if the moves don't work.
If Nix was younger and planning to stay around, I would consider leaving him in place for another year. However, he is at the end of a long career. A career as a scout he should be proud of. My concern is with the New coaching staff in place, Why not just let Nix ride off into the sunset and start the Whaley/Marrone era. What happens in the draft if Nix likes a player that Whaley and Marrone are not on board with? Does Brandon over rule Nix? Do we listen to Nix, when he may not be around past the draft? To me it seems like keeping on, could cause confusion as to who should be pulling the trigger on our draft picks.