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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeneBlitz View Post
    Lets the Browns or the Cards make the mistake this time, let us do the right thing and roll the dice on the best rookie QB we can come up with. The experts that say this is a bad draft class for QB know just about zero, remember Jamarcus Russell has a chance to be the "best ever" and the Vince Young, Matt Lienhart draft was on par with the Elway, Kelly, Marino one.

    I honestly don't remember either of those things being part of popular opinion.

    Alex Smith does one of 3 things...

    1) Is the best QB that the Bills have had in over a decade and is the unquestioned franchise QB of our future

    2) Will ruin whatever rookie QB that we draft by putting our coaches in a Losman/Holcomb situation (in and out) and in this scenario you lose 2 draft picks, 1 on the rookie and one on Smith and you are looking to cut one at the end of the season

    Smith isn't Brady, but are you really comparing him to Holcomb?

    3) Will start for all of 2013 playing poorly enough that we have to draft a QB in next seasons draft, setting the franchise back another year of misery.

    If 2013 is a poor draft class, it might make sense to wait until 2014. We've seen rookie QBs do pretty well lately.

    What in Alex Smith's disastrous career makes any sane human being believe that choice number 1 is the most likely outcome
    Disastrous? Statistically, he's been a top 10 QB the last 2 years. He's also been a winner, going 19-5-1 in that time. Are we really supposed to forget what he did over the last 2 seasons, and instead dwell on what he did before that? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE SLAMMER View Post
    You guys can Play around with Rookies till the cows come home. (This is not an above average class of Quarterbacks) Yep, it actually sucks when you compare to recent years!!!

    I will take the veteran (Retread) thank you!!!

    Oh, bye the way, what is Payton Manning and Drew Brees again ???

    RETREADS.....yep, thank you!

    Not every retreat fails..........

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    Dunno, Slammer, what is Payton Manning and Drew Brees again? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo86 View Post
    Disastrous? Statistically, he's been a top 10 QB the last 2 years. He's also been a winner, going 19-5-1 in that time. Are we really supposed to forget what he did over the last 2 seasons, and instead dwell on what he did before that? Why?

    Because it suits their narrative. No other reasonable reason.

    It's the same as political discussion in recent years. First you decide if you like him. If you decide you don't like him, then you can say anything, no matter how vicious or untrue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeneBlitz View Post
    So according to that logic there are probably 500:1 failure vs success with your "retread QBs"
    500 to one is a great exaggeration, but yeah, maybe ten to one or around there. Which is about the same as non-retreads. You don't think half of all draft picks work out, do you?

    Being a successful NFL QB is a rare thing. Retreads and first-timers both fail in huge numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurman#1 View Post
    Because it suits their narrative. No other reasonable reason.

    It's the same as political discussion in recent years. First you decide if you like him. If you decide you don't like him, then you can say anything, no matter how vicious or untrue.
    And even that's not a reasonable reason.

    As for political discussion, I'd bet that it's pretty much always been that way. I just didn't always pay attention to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeneBlitz View Post
    Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Att Yds TD
    2005 San Francisco 49ers 9 40.8 165 84 50.9 875 1 11 30 103 0
    2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 74.8 442 257 58.1 2890 16 16 44 147 2
    2007 San Francisco 49ers 7 57.2 193 94 48.7 914 2 4 13 89 0
    2008 San Francisco 49ers 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    2009 San Francisco 49ers 11 81.5 372 225 60.5 2350 18 12 24 51 0
    2010 San Francisco 49ers 11 82.1 342 204 59.6 2370 14 10 18 60 0
    2011 San Francisco 49ers 16 90.7 445 273 61.3 3144 17 5 52 179 2
    2012 San Francisco 49ers 10 104.1 218 153 70.2 1737 13 5 31 132 0
    Totals 80 79.1 2177 1290 59.3 14,280 81 63 212 761 4

    Here you go guys, this is your "franchise" QB, almost to funny that Bills fans really want this guy, too bad he doesn't come with the SF 2011/2012 defense. Why not just bring back JP Losman and Trent Edwards while were at it, they actually had better careers as a whole.

    Thanks. good stuff. It shows steady improvement and the last two years being very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurman#1 View Post
    Thanks. good stuff. It shows steady improvement and the last two years being very good.

    Yo Thurm your too funny. & I agree, those stats shows vastly improvement over the past two years! Lol....nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurman#1 View Post
    Thanks. good stuff. It shows steady improvement and the last two years being very good.
    Not sure where you see steady improvement there.

    1st year: Very bad
    2nd year: Fitz like year
    3rd year: Very bad
    4th year: Didnt play
    5th year: Fitz like year
    6th year: same as the 5th year
    7th and 8th year: Enter Harbaugh and a monster team that has a defense that only allows 14 points per game on average and a running offense with safe passes to recievers with no one around them for 5 yards or more. Smith didnt have to do anything and any QB would have prevailed in that system.

    So he improved when Harbaugh came in big deal. The rest of his years were either worse then Fitz or equal to Fitz.... there was no "steady" improvement there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpio83 View Post
    Before Drew was top 5, he was Alex Smith before leaving the Chargers....& he had more question marks cause he was coming off an injury. But, Brees was winning just like Alex Smith...so you'll never know how Alex will turn out, he's still in his prime. Peyton....well that's just Peyton, still a retread but similar to the Montana situation. But a retread non the less
    Dude... HARDLY.

    Brees's stats are still much better than Smiths was in San Francisco.

    If Alex Smith is in his prime, than it's arguably the lamest prime since Jason Campbell.
    I just don't give a stink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilfaith24 View Post
    there has to be one for the team to get...but I guess common sense isnt important to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaGatorsBuffaloBills View Post
    In my opinion the only way he goes to Buffalo is if they are committed to him for the next 3-4 years. He's not going to want to go somewhere and be replaced like he was in San Fran and if Buffalo is planning on drafting a quarterback this year or next year, could likely be a deterrent to him.
    If that's his criteria for signing with a team he is not going to have a lot of choices.
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    Just wanted to tweak your thread title a little:

    Do what ever it takes to get Alex Smith to sign with Arizona (or the Jets or KC)

    Anybody but us. Take another team off the market for drafting a QB.

    Heck, let's have Arizona sign Fitzpatrick (his wife and children live in Phoenix) and have Jacksonville sign Alex Smith.

    Then we only have to fight with KC and maybe the Jets in the 2nd round for a QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bs78 View Post
    Thats what Russell Wilson, RG3 and Andrew Luck said...

    That's it?

    I believe you can go back and with 20-20 hindsight can pick EVERY SINGLE great QB drafted since the draft began (imagine!!!!)

    I hope RG3 isn't finished already...

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    We need alex smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE SLAMMER View Post
    You guys can Play around with Rookies till the cows come home. (This is not an above average class of Quarterbacks) Yep, it actually sucks when you compare to recent years!!!

    I will take the veteran (Retread) thank you!!!

    Oh, bye the way, what is Payton Manning and Drew Brees again ???

    RETREADS.....yep, thank you!

    Not every retreat fails..........

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    Oh yea, Smith is definitely the same caliber player as Manning and Brees. In fact he's so good, he just took his team to the Super Bowl... oh wait... you mean he isn't facing off with Tyrod Taylor?

    Hmmm...

    Wasn't Fitz a backup somewhere?

    Trent Dilfer says Tebow is a completely different QB. And he has a ring.

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    Disagree. I dont believe Smith to be much more then Fitz. I wouldnt do "whatever it takes" to get him. If he came cheap then sure. If he costs high draft picks and high salary cap hit then hell no.

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    Instead of "do whatever" to get Alex Smith it should be "do whatever" to get a QB period. The Seahawks signed Flyn last year but did that stop them from drafting a QB? I say fine go after Smith and you know what draft a QB in the second round also. A lot of their production is going to depend on our coaching staff regardless but the best thing we can do is get as much talent as possible.

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    Trading for Alex Smith=Bills history repeating itself a la Drew Bledsoe.

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    he will have a chance to go anywhere he wants to and that doesnt look good for buffalo !

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