Let's face it...Smith, Barkley, Wilson, Nassib & Glennon are all in play at 8.

[whorlnut]

What the crap is wrong with you Tates? Can you contradict yourself any more? You say Smith and Barkley are 1st round QBs, yet you don't want to draft them? Instead you want to get nothing more than a retread like Matt Moor or Alex Smith, or an unknown in Matt Flynn? Which is it? Do you actually just want to see this franchise fail and are finding every way possible for them NOT to get a QB? Last year Luck and RG3 were "sure things," yet RG3 has already shown he may not even be the Redskins starting QB day 1 of this upcoming season and likely won't be in the league in 7-8 years. Translation: THERE ARE NO SURE THINGS AT QB!!!! Roll the dice, more than one of these QBs will be NFL starters for multiple years.

Exactly right. I've gone on record as saying I think Kirk Cousins has almost as good a chance as RG3 of becoming the long term quarterback for Washington due to RG3's injury concerns and playing style. There is no certain thing out there at any position, much less the qb position.

[YoungEz]

Actually I like the comparison - I was not comparing where they will be drafted but where their talent levels are - I am not convinced Glennon is any better than Foles and Nassib is not better than Stanzi. Glennon and Nassib would not fare any better in the draft if they had come out the same years that Foles and Stanzi came out. Glennon would be hard pressed to go in the third last year and Nassib would have been considered fifth round material two years ago. I am not going to adjust my grade on either of them just because this is a weak draft class. If we had 13 picks like SF I would be ok with wasting a pick on a reach but with 6 picks, we cannot afford to waste any of our first three picks on a QB that will not be a long-time starter in the NFL and I don't see either being a starter on Sundays. Smith or Barkley in the first. EJ Manuel in the third and Matt Scott in the fifth are the only QBs that I would take. With both Manuel and Scott we would need a vet to hold the fort while they develop.

I hope Smith and Barkley are gone and we go BPA and pick a QB in FA or (shudder) stay with Fitz and hope a new coach can develop him - much like Harbaugh rescued Alex Smith. Our franchise QB will then come out of the next two classes.

Completely agree with you about it being a weak class and not changing grades on guys just because of that and add Rodgers in the 6th if we were to take a QB any where as a value pick. It is a weak QB class and the only reasoning people are giving for why we should draft a QB is simply out of need and just because we have to rather then actually trying to find a long term solution for this team.

I don't see any one rescuing Fitz, pretty sure every knows I was very down on him before he even was a Bill, thought he was awful and a career back up at best before he even came here. People just need to accept we aren't going to have a great QB next year (assuming you are choosing between Fitz and certain rookies people like on here).

[jrober38]

I don't think there's any way that we have 4 second round prospects in consideration for the 8th overall pick.

1 or 2 of these names might be considered, but we're not considering all 5...

[hemma]

I did a look back to a few of last year's BBMB experts.

http://boards.buffalobills.com/showt...-in-2012-draft

http://boards.buffalobills.com/showt...fore-Tannehill

My conclusion is that most of us aren't as smart as we think.

[whorlnut]

I don't think there's any way that we have 4 second round prospects in consideration for the 8th overall pick...

Me either. However, I believe that first round prospects like Geno and Barkley will be very much in play...

[YoungEz]

What the crap is wrong with you Tates? Can you contradict yourself any more? You say Smith and Barkley are 1st round QBs, yet you don't want to draft them? Instead you want to get nothing more than a retread like Matt Moor or Alex Smith, or an unknown in Matt Flynn? Which is it? Do you actually just want to see this franchise fail and are finding every way possible for them NOT to get a QB? Last year Luck and RG3 were "sure things," yet RG3 has already shown he may not even be the Redskins starting QB day 1 of this upcoming season and likely won't be in the league in 7-8 years. Translation: THERE ARE NO SURE THINGS AT QB!!!! Roll the dice, more than one of these QBs will be NFL starters for multiple years.

Gosh I really wish I knew you personally, you would be so easy to swindle a ton of money out of with your thought process and attitude. Your reasoning is so awful, just roll the dice, leave it to pure luck and hope you hit. Not even an educated guess or do some homework/research, nothing just roll the dice and hope it hits. Do you invest in the stock market by any chance? Because if you do, do you just pick a stock and invest hoping it hits or do you do research and try and gain an edge because that is what successful people do, they play percentages. Nothing is ever a sure thing or a 100% but I would much rather invest in a stock or QB that I have come up with has a higher % of success in the long run say 70% or w/e compared to just closing my eyes rolling the dice and going with luck.

[jrober38]

Gosh I really wish I knew you personally, you would be so easy to swindle a ton of money out of with your thought process and attitude. Your reasoning is so awful, just roll the dice, leave it to pure luck and hope you hit. Not even an educated guess or do some homework/research, nothing just roll the dice and hope it hits. Do you invest in the stock market by any chance? Because if you do, do you just pick a stock and invest hoping it hits or do you do research and try and gain an edge because that is what successful people do, they play percentages. Nothing is ever a sure thing or a 100% but I would much rather invest in a stock or QB that I have come up with has a higher % of success in the long run say 70% or w/e compared to just closing my eyes rolling the dice and going with luck.

Exactly.

If the Bills draft the wrong QB this year and get someone who looks terrible, I'd bet a lot they get a top 4 pick in 2014 and possibly are looking for another new GM and Head Coach...

[transplantbillsfan]

Gosh I really wish I knew you personally, you would be so easy to swindle a ton of money out of with your thought process and attitude. Your reasoning is so awful, just roll the dice, leave it to pure luck and hope you hit. Not even an educated guess or do some homework/research, nothing just roll the dice and hope it hits. Do you invest in the stock market by any chance? Because if you do, do you just pick a stock and invest hoping it hits or do you do research and try and gain an edge because that is what successful people do, they play percentages. Nothing is ever a sure thing or a 100% but I would much rather invest in a stock or QB that I have come up with has a higher % of success in the long run say 70% or w/e compared to just closing my eyes rolling the dice and going with luck.

Holy crap, you're an idiot to think I was saying that. I don't care if that's an infraction, you're an idiot in this case. That's not what I was saying, and if you think that, I feel sorry for you. Look at the last 3 sentences of what I wrote and let me translate them for you: You roll the dice EVERY time you draft a QB, no matter what. Now go back and look back at my reference to RG3. Now do you see the connection? I didn't know posters needed all dots connected. Of course you do your research. Of course you go through all the film study and interview process. But no matter how confident you are, it's all just the roll of the dice. Dummy.

[transplantbillsfan]

Exactly.

If the Bills draft the wrong QB this year and get someone who looks terrible, I'd bet a lot they get a top 4 pick in 2014 and possibly are looking for another new GM and Head Coach...

And I'm disappointed you latched onto that incredibly dumb post. As much as I disagree with your positions on the QB class, I didn't think you had a reading comprehension problem.

[YoungEz]

Holy crap, you're an idiot to think I was saying that. I don't care if that's an infraction, you're an idiot in this case. That's not what I was saying, and if you think that, I feel sorry for you. Look at the last 3 sentences of what I wrote and let me translate them for you: You roll the dice EVERY time you draft a QB, no matter what. Now go back and look back at my reference to RG3. Now do you see the connection? I didn't know posters needed all dots connected. Of course you do your research. Of course you go through all the film study and interview process. But no matter how confident you are, it's all just the roll of the dice. Dummy.

This is what you said at the end "Translation: THERE ARE NO SURE THINGS AT QB!!!! Roll the dice, more than one of these QBs will be NFL starters for multiple years."... I understand how your "THERE ARE NO SURE THINGS AT QB!!!!" relates to what you had previously said about RG3 (whether that is correct or not also based on the fact RG3 did have doubters pre draft and Luck was seen as the safe pick and RG3 the riskier but higher ceiling pick). You then have the "Roll the dice, more than one of these QBs will be NFL starters for multiple years." I think my response goes pretty well off of that, don't worry though you aren't the only one. A large group of this board when on the topic of QB usually just posts something along the lines of just pick one, I don't care as long as its the right one, go for it get lucky, roll the dice, etc.

My response still stands and is still valid, I even said in mine there is no sure thing. You made a lousy post with a lousy point and I replied against it, sorry you maybe used a poor choice of words but my response still stands especially against the large group of this board that just must have a QB just because we need one. You can call me an idiot because you are mad that I called you out and claim I can't connect the dots or we all have bad reading comprehension but I am sorry its not the case you just at best made a very bad post.

I will say one last thing, anything is possible, anything can happen but there is a difference between taking a chance and drafting a QB like Luck at 1 or RG3 at 2 (since those are the 2 you have referenced) and taking guys like Nassib, Glennon, Barkley, Manuel, Wilson, etc at 8 or lower simply based on the fact that we must take a QB. You evaluate a player individually not how he compares to his current class. I don't care if this is the millionth time I have to say it, the strength of this class is the front seven specifically DE or DE/LB. And to go against the argument of "every year people say next year"... That is an awful argument, every one from day one has said this was a weak QB class and if you watch the over all college football landscape you know the next 1 to 2 years will have better QB classes. Just for example two guys I was absolutely down on this year compared to the rest of this board, Murray and Thomas if they had come out would have been right in the mix with this group of QB's but they stayed because their draft grades were not good.

[YoungEz]

And I'm disappointed you latched onto that incredibly dumb post. As much as I disagree with your positions on the QB class, I didn't think you had a reading comprehension problem.

I don't think he has a reading comprehension problem, I'm not even sure he necessarily quoted my post based on it having to do with yours but might have just based on the over all premise of it.

[transplantbillsfan]

You can call me an idiot because you are mad that I called you out and claim I can't connect the dots or we all have bad reading comprehension but I am sorry its not the case you just at best made a very bad post.

I just read that whole post, and no, I'm calling you an idiot because what you said was idiotic. I'm not mad or offended, because what you said couldn't be further from the truth. You're still missing the point of what I said. Even drafting Andrew Luck was a roll of the dice because, after all, **** happens. While you may want to know me personally, I would never want to know you professionally. I'm a teacher and I can see that we'd have some big time problems trying to accelerate your reading skills in one year.

[YoungEz]

I just read that whole post, and no, I'm calling you an idiot because what you said was idiotic. I'm not mad or offended, because what you said couldn't be further from the truth. You're still missing the point of what I said. Even drafting Andrew Luck was a roll of the dice because, after all, **** happens. While you may want to know me personally, I would never want to know you professionally. I'm a teacher and I can see that we'd have some big time problems trying to accelerate your reading skills in one year.

I actually think it was pretty smart and you clearly are still missing what I said. We all know stuff happens lol I even said that every time, and yet every one else has the reading problems... You still aren't getting the yes anything happens but you do research and evaluate players, you just don't automatically turn everything into a lottery and wish for luck because any thing could happen no matter how small the %. I will stick with playing %'s.

I've achieved a fairly high level of education (might be being a bit modest there) so I think my reading skills are just fine and in elementary school I was one of the top readers in the entire school, true story had reading competitions through out (other kids even accused me of using deer antler spray on my eyes because I would fly through books so fast and ace the tests). Not sure if you caught the sarcasm in the parenthesis.

[Hedic]

Yes they do, the Bills have a QB. And I have an appendix.

Nobody should expect very much out of either. Both are somewhat vestigial.

LMAO. And I do support Fritz. He is a solid but not great starting QB. We need to draft a QB in the first 2 rds either this year or next (that works out) maybe both years.

[transplantbillsfan]

I actually think it was pretty smart and you clearly are still missing what I said. We all know stuff happens lol I even said that every time, and yet every one else has the reading problems... You still aren't getting the yes anything happens but you do research and evaluate players, you just don't automatically turn everything into a lottery and wish for luck because any thing could happen no matter how small the %. I will stick with playing %'s.

I've achieved a fairly high level of education (might be being a bit modest there) so I think my reading skills are just fine and in elementary school I was one of the top readers in the entire school, true story had reading competitions through out (other kids even accused me of using deer antler spray on my eyes because I would fly through books so fast and ace the tests). Not sure if you caught the sarcasm in the parenthesis.

Wow, did you seriously just pull out an elementary school level reading comprehension card or was that part of the sarcasm along with what was in parentheses? Almost as bad as people who pull the "I've played the game" card.

And you're clearly still not showing how astute you apparently are considering I'm saying exactly what you said in bold, yet adding that it's always a roll of the dice! Yes, evaluate the crap outta these guys! If OBD ranks one of them as a first round QB, pull the trigger, roll the dice, whatever euphemism you'd prefer that you can actually understand.