Be Smart Buddy, draft Cordarrelle Paterson @ 8

[Thurman#1]

Look, WRs need to be WRs first - run your routes, be strong off the line, catch with your hands, all the basics. Patterson isn't great at them. His absolute best trait - his elusiveness, isnt a sure bet to translate immediately.

If you want a dynamo in space, you draft Tavon Austin, who is amazing, has strong hands, good routes and is very versatile.

If you want a #1 WR, draft Keenan Allen. I think Patterson isn't a good enough WR YET to be in contention for #8.

I agree completely.

One thing that is maybe missing to me is that even though he's tall and not small, they don't seem to throw him jump balls or fades. You don't see much of him walling people off, outjumping them and simply outwrestling guys for the ball. I want to see that from a big receiver. Maybe he can do it but you don't see much evidence of it from the film.

[mikey152]

I don’t get it. The quarterbacks this year are too risky but the Bills should draft a wr like Patterson or Allen at 8.
I have posted some data from another site that showed 10 years worth of top 10 wide receivers. They actually were the only position that had a higher bust rate that quarterbacks
Position, total selections/number of busts, and ranked by highest BR (bust rate):
1. WR – 17/12 – 70% BR
2. QB – 15/9 - 60% BR
QB – Matt Ryan, (JaMarcus Russell), (Vince Young), (Matt Leinart), (Alex Smith), Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, (Byron Leftwich), (David Carr), (Joey Harrington), Michael Vick, (Tim Couch), Donovan McNabb, (Akili Smith)

WR – Calvin Johnson, (Ted Ginn Jr.), (Braylon Edwards), (Troy Williamson), (Mike Williams), Larry Fitzgerald, (Roy Williams), (Reggie Williams), (Charles Rogers), Andre Johnson, (David Terrell), (Koren Robinson), (Peter Warrick), Plaxico Burress, (Travis Taylor), Torry Holt, (David Boston)

Why are Patterson and Allen risks.
Cordarrelle Patterson 46 rec. for 778 yds. And 5td’s. He had had an 8.11% drop rate and played only 1 year of D1 football.
Keenan Allen lives on the short passes. 63.3% of Allen’s passes were caught within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Only 3.33% of his passes were past 20 yards. (according to second round stats).

Buddy has said in the past that it is easier to find wr’s in the middle rounds. If there was a Calvin Johnson type wr, that would be one thing but I just don’t see Buddy using pick 8 on Patterson or Allen.

First off, I don't think some of those WR's you have listed as busts are really busts. 4 of them made a probowl...Boston, Edwards and Williams all had monster seasons in their 3rd year, then had injuries, team changes, crappy qbs, etc sink their careers...But all 3 were very talented and none of them were traditional busts.

Oh, and FYI, notice how the guys that did hit are all HOF type WR's minus Plaxico. That's a pretty big reward for taking the risk.

[mikey152]

Patterson's hands are alot better than he gets credit for. I think alot of the speculation about his body catching is just that...speculation. It's something one or two guys said and now everyone else repeats...because I saw him snag a few quick passes out of the air from Tyler Bray, who throws HARDER than most NFL QB's, and didn't he just win the hands comp at that rookie challenge?

Oh, and at 6'3" 205 lbs, the kid ran a 10.33 100m at a meet last year in CC. That is FAST. To put it in perspective, TJ Graham runs it in around 10.5.

[Feeling On Youboty]

Thats interesting. Harvin was picked in the 20's. I said S. Holmes picked 25. So lets call it 15-25 worthy?

If Harvin was 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier he would've been taken ahead of Darius Heyward Bey & Michael Crabtree making him a Top 10 pick.

[Thurman#1]

It's a sad day when this fanbase values a WR above a QB. And don't ******* bring up the Bengals in the 2011 draft. There's no AJ Green in this WR class, and Andy Dalton was a widely respected late 1st, early 2nd round QB. If Nix takes Patterson at 8, he better be prepared to find himself looking at the pathetic table scraps of this year's QB class (Bray, Dysert, Jones, Manuel, Nassib).

Have fun watching your little toy WR run crisp routes while showing "freakish athletic ability" folks. Enjoy it because it won't happen often without a legitimate QB under center.

OK, let's say you're right, and that we also don't get an FA QB like Alex Smith. So we end up with Fitz or Tarvaris throwing to him next year.

Will his career be over in one year?

Do you draft a WR for how well he does in his first year, and then figure the next 12 or 14 years mean nothing?

I don't want Cordarrelle. I don't think he's showed enough specifically as a WR to be drafted at #8. But say we want another WR and pick Keenan Allen, and say he does indeed have a terrible season with Fitz throwing to him. Does that mean he's a failure? It doesn't, and it's not even close.

Now, I want a QB this year, in the first two rounds. I want one of the top four or so guys, and I would ideally like to also have Alex Smith as well. But if Buddy doesn't get the chance to get anyone he likes this year, he picks Keenan Allen and next year they get their franchise QB who turns out successful and perhaps more successful than any QB from this year's draft, that's not a terrible outcome. Far from it.

There are good arguments against Cordarrelle Patterson and against a WR in the first. IMHO, this is not one of them.

[Thurman#1]

Patterson's hands are alot better than he gets credit for. I think alot of the speculation about his body catching is just that...speculation. It's something one or two guys said and now everyone else repeats...because I saw him snag a few quick passes out of the air from Tyler Bray, who throws HARDER than most NFL QB's, and didn't he just win the hands comp at that rookie challenge?

Oh, and at 6'3" 205 lbs, the kid ran a 10.33 100m at a meet last year in CC. That is FAST. To put it in perspective, TJ Graham runs it in around 10.5.

I'm not saying Cordarrelle isn't fast. He is, very fast.

But TJ is a lot faster.

TJ was clocked in 10.21 for the hundred meter. He ran a 10.44 ... in high school.

http://www.gopack.com/sports/c-track...aham_tj00.html
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...0354/tj-graham

[mikey152]

I'm not saying Cordarrelle isn't fast. He is, very fast.

But TJ is a lot faster.

TJ was clocked in 10.21 for the hundred meter. He ran a 10.44 ... in high school.

http://www.gopack.com/sports/c-track...aham_tj00.html
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...0354/tj-graham

I don't buy the 10.21, it was probably wind aided...but 10.44 is really fast in HS. But he was primarily a printer back then.

The point is, though, that Patterson ran that in college in 2011 as a football player that ran track. Big difference. In college, when TJ was playing football, he ran track and was around a 10.5. Which is still really fast. But Patterson is faster as a football player, aka today. Maybe if they both focused on track, things would be different.

[dhall_2007]

Paterson is a one year wonder so i highly doubt Nix picks him at #8, I could however see Nix drafting his teammate Hunter in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[turbovwmk4]

Patterson's hands are alot better than he gets credit for. I think alot of the speculation about his body catching is just that...speculation. It's something one or two guys said and now everyone else repeats...because I saw him snag a few quick passes out of the air from Tyler Bray, who throws HARDER than most NFL QB's, and didn't he just win the hands comp at that rookie challenge?

Oh, and at 6'3" 205 lbs, the kid ran a 10.33 100m at a meet last year in CC. That is FAST. To put it in perspective, TJ Graham runs it in around 10.5.

Bingo

[Thurman#1]

I don't buy the 10.21, it was probably wind aided...but 10.44 is really fast in HS. But he was primarily a printer back then.

The point is, though, that Patterson ran that in college in 2011 as a football player that ran track. Big difference. In college, when TJ was playing football, he ran track and was around a 10.5. Which is still really fast. But Patterson is faster as a football player, aka today. Maybe if they both focused on track, things would be different.

Nope.

Graham skipped track his first couple of years in college but ran it in 2011 as he was also playing football, like Cordarrelle. At the ACC Outdoor Championship, he ran a 10.37. That qualified him for the nationals where he ran poorly, getting the 10.49 I assume you're talking about.

It's not reasonable the way you just guess the 10.21 was wind-aided and dismiss it on the guess. You might be right. Or not.

No doubt, though, that Graham ran a 10.37, faster than Cordarrelle's best. And you're right that Graham might have been even faster if he hadn't taken the two years away from track.

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...-j-graham.html

[socorocker13]

I like Hunter as a more complete receiver than Patterson. He's going to be 2 years removed now from his ACL injury that clearly slowed him down a bit last year and he's the only receiver in the draft with that AJ Green/Julio Jones type size, length, speed, hands combination you look for.

Patterson to me can be dangerous yes but he's more of a gimmick type guy and a body catcher that does have hands but needs to learn to make it habit to use them more and snag a ball at it's highest point. I don't feel like he's great as a route runner or runs the full route tree. That's just me but I feel even Tavonn Austin will have a better career than Patterson. Everyone is fast in the NFL. Speed alone at WR doesn't make a star like it can in college. Hunter & Austin will have better careers.

[mikey152]

Nope.

Graham skipped track his first couple of years in college but ran it in 2011 as he was also playing football, like Cordarrelle. At the ACC Outdoor Championship, he ran a 10.37. That qualified him for the nationals where he ran poorly, getting the 10.49 I assume you're talking about.

It's not reasonable the way you just guess the 10.21 was wind-aided and dismiss it on the guess. You might be right. Or not.

No doubt, though, that Graham ran a 10.37, faster than Cordarrelle's best. And you're right that Graham might have been even faster if he hadn't taken the two years away from track.

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...-j-graham.html

That same year, Patterson ran a 10.33, which is < 10.37 last time I checked...

[sechristbmw]

That same year, Patterson ran a 10.33, which is < 10.37 last time I checked...

I am getting on board with Patterson at #8.

We need an immediate starter at WR, and an immediate starter at OLB.

Patterson has elite physical skills over the next rated WR Allen.

He looked like a big Reggie Bush on the Youtube highlights I watched. He juked, showed hip snap, got to the outside and out ran everyone.

They increasingly gave him carries out of the backfield. Several of his runs, he weaved in and out of people.

I like him and Matt Elam, but we'll probably go QB with the 2nd pick.

[sechristbmw]

Right now our WRs are:

Steve Johnson, David Nelson, TJ Graham. I am not counting Brad Smith, Donald Jones or Ruvell Martin as real WRs.


Absolutely Cordarrelle Patterson makes sense at #8.

Elite athleticism, set SEC single season record for return yardage, scored a TD in 4 different ways.

I'm on board.